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Jabroniville

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Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2016, 09:25:08 PM »

I will never, ever forgive Louise Simonson for writing the second half of New Mutants. Ever. She had years and years, and some of the best lead-in character work ever, and she fucked it up in every way imaginable. She is the absolute drizzling shits as a writer.

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Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2016, 11:05:17 AM »

Darkseid and Wonder Woman?

Both are "gods" more or less both royalty; both have plot device level powers (WW's force field, Darkseid's Omega Beams).  Both  warriors.

Considering how Wonder Woman has fealty to her gods it's surprising that hasn't come up with Darkseid.

Oh sorry Zeus says I can't get involved, be an act of war between our two pantheons or some such sort of thing if I did.

Even the Super-friends had Darkseid trying to marry her all the time didn't they?

Hell; a story line where Darkseid becomes skyfather of the greek gods and can tell her what to do would definitely have potential.

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Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2016, 11:47:45 PM »

Heh, going off my Mandarin vs Iron Fist idea, we had this image from the Battleworld stuff:

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Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2016, 07:18:56 PM »

Batman vs Lex Luthor is a good one. Basically the two wealthiest, most intelligent and manipulative skill-monkeys in DC would make great opponents in a chess master sort of way.
Yeah, writers lately seem to agree: this is a cool and natural match-up.

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Dr. Doom and Iron Man have had a few confrontations over the years, but you'd think they'd do so even more regularly. Tony is a man who was born into wealth and power, but learned humility when his life was saved and has since tried to use his wealth to better the world (when the writers weren't making him Iron Hitler). Doom was a man born into poverty who mastered science and sorcery to take over his country and has dedicated himself to taking over the world. Tony is basically the modern capitalist trying to improve the world, Doom is old school monarchy trying to build an empire.
Yeah, they have more in common than ever, since both are trying to atone for past sins.

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Iron Fist versus the Mandarin seemed like something that could have happened as well. The Mandarin vs Iron Man was always good for the whole "ancient Eastern mysticism and martial arts" vs "modern capitalist science and technology", but you could see the Mandarin having just as much of a problem with Danny. Danny is another billionaire with a corporation, but he's also someone steeped in eastern mythology, which the Mandarin might hate as seeing some white infidel bastardizing his people's traditions. Could make for a cool fight and take a jab at the Mandarin's own racism. Though it might be weird that the Mandarin's big opponents both have 'Iron' in their name.
Isn't Mandarin white too, though?

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Given that the Rock of Eternity sits in the heart of existence and allows those bonded to it (Shazam, the Marvel Family, Black Adam) to travel through time, space and dimension, you wonder why more comics don't have Cap, Mary and Freddy policing the timeline and keeping extradimensional invaders out of the DC Universe. Stuff like Booster Gold's series would work great for them, and fighting invading mystical beings in the Cthulhu/Trigon vein would be right up their alley.
Maybe have CM run into Rip Hunter and the Legends of Tomorow.

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Has Kraven the Hunter ever fought Wolverine? You'd think a showdown between the two most 'hunter' focused archetypes would be a given.
Probably didn't happen because of timing issues. Wasn't Kraven killed off right around the time Wolverine had just started appearing everywhere?

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There's a lot of street level types that you feel like Arcade should have fought more of, before stuff like Avengers Arena and that Avengers Academy crossover basically ruined the guy. Him being hired to kill Capt. America, Iron Fist & Luke Cage and the like could have made for some fun adventures. Throw Danny and Luke into some 70's style Kung Fu/Blacksploitation scenarios for a little extra adventure. The Heroes for Hire thing works as well since Arcade, Danny and Luke all are mercenaries to some extent.
I missed his appearance in AA. What happened that ruined him?

Falcon vs Vulture should happen at some point. Falcon vs Vermin as well, since both have animal control powers.
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Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2016, 08:39:35 PM »

Mandarin is asian.
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Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2016, 08:56:06 PM »

http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/The_Mandarin

"The Mandarin is the child of British and Mongolian aristocrats, both of whom died while he was a small boy. Being extremely vain, the Mandarin squandered every last penny of his inheritance training himself in science, military tactics, and mystic martial arts. This bankrupted his family's estate, resulting in Mandarin becoming a homeless wanderer. Blaming the world for his misfortune rather than his own vanity and short-sightedness, Mandarin sought out a method of vengeance on civilization. "

So half white. He's white british guy in the movies.

Joker and Ra's Al Ghul: one wants an orderly paradise full of lush life(albeit with a tiny human populace), the other wants utter chaos and the death of every living thing.

Joker and Poison Ivy: both rivals for Harley Quinn, whom Ivy treats decently and Joker abuses. Also, somewhat similar to Ra's. Ivy wants a lush paradise and Joker wants everything dead. 
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Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2016, 09:31:32 AM »

It would be nice to see a rivalry(not just hth) between Batman and Deathstroke,DS can really hold a grudge...let's say Batman piss him off.
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Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2016, 12:23:02 PM »

It would be nice to see a rivalry(not just hth) between Batman and Deathstroke,DS can really hold a grudge...let's say Batman piss him off.

Honestly; I don't think DS wants to see Batman get mean with the prep.

DS is pretty good at it but Batman's kind of on another level there.

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Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2017, 08:29:40 PM »

Wonder Woman and Captain Nazi?

I know they had one clash when he tried to invade her island.

But that's about it far as I know.

They seem like natural antagonists.

Both relics of an "ancient" civilization, one based on the "Nordic"-Ideal while the other is based on the Greek-Ideal.

Both come from societies designed with the idea of perfection in mind.

Both come from societies that believe one group of people is innately superior to another (Gender vs Race).

Seems like there's a bit to be played with there.
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Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2017, 09:00:51 PM »

For example; Punisher hates criminals and as such hunts them down and kills them.

Taskmaster actually sets out to teach criminals, he makes more criminals and makes the ones still around "Better".

How hasn't Punisher developed an unfathomable mad-on for this guy? 

But have they ever even met or fought before?

I think with Punisher it's because he usually fights either the vilest, most disgusting villains imaginable, or he fights the most painfully noble heroes.

 If it's a story that takes place in Punisher's own book, then they generally want you to root for him and don't want any ambiguity, so the guys he slaughters are absolutely disgusting.

 If he's fighting one of the painfully noble goody-goodies in Punisher's own book, then the story is about how the goody-goody is naive, and doesn't understand what needs to be done in the real world.

If Punisher is fighting, say, Spider-Man, in Spider-Man's book, then the story will be about how violence just begets more violence and corrupts the soul of the person crossing that line, and Spider-Man is right for sticking to his absolutely pure morals.

Taskmaster doesn't fit into any of the standard Punisher formulae. He's not evil enough for the audience to cheer Punisher slowly feeding him feet-first into a wood-chipper. He's certainly not good enough to tell a story about how Punisher's worldview is fundamentally wrong and destructive. He's not remotely naive enough to tell a story about how goody-goody thinking is just doomed to fail in the real world.

I suppose you could tell a story that just satirizes both formulae, but Deadpool works better for that sort of thing.

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