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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2014, 10:47:01 PM »

Didn't Geoff Johns help with the Green Lantern movie?

From what I gather he had quite a lot of input and there was a story on Deadline that a few people at DC felt he had a fair part to play in the movie being such a failure.

Geoff Johns didn't move the needle on it at all, one way or another. I read the original script, and it was terrible. It was a terrible script written by mediocre writers, produced by mediocre television people. They got a director who is mostly passed his prime to do a kind of movie he had never done before that was fraught with serious hurdles naturally.

Geoff Johns maybe added a few nerd kernals to the thing, but the real problem was there from the start. Those people make shitty things (sorry, fans of Arrow and Flash).
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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2014, 12:01:05 AM »



Geoff Johns maybe added a few nerd kernals to the thing, but the real problem was there from the start. Those people make shitty things (sorry, fans of Arrow).
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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2014, 12:08:49 AM »

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/suicide-squad-cast-revealed-jared-leto-to-play-the-joker-will-smith-is-deadshot-1201368867#u=http://variety.com/2014/film/news/suicide-squad-cast-revealed-jared-leto-to-play-the-joker-will-smith-is-deadshot-1201368867;k=pmc-adi-31bb2464aad8b905af7a81e1d57b77ae

I guess it's confirmed?

Watch all the fucking idiots complaining about Black Heimdall and Black Stormtrooper dude not give a shit about Black Deadshot because Will Smith only vaguely looks like he's been dipped in tea.

Personally I'm more concerned with whether or not he can grow the 'tache
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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2014, 04:31:36 AM »

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Geoff Johns didn't move the needle on it at all, one way or another. I read the original script, and it was terrible. It was a terrible script written by mediocre writers, produced by mediocre television people. They got a director who is mostly passed his prime to do a kind of movie he had never done before that was fraught with serious hurdles naturally.

Geoff Johns maybe added a few nerd kernals to the thing, but the real problem was there from the start. Those people make shitty things (sorry, fans of Arrow and Flash)

That's right  DONT SURRENDER!

But you're wrong.  A lot of writers and talent get chewed up by the system. Great movies are made when the studio gives one part of the talent (actor/great director/producer) room to make decisions. Otherwise you have excellent Marvel films that on occasion hit it way the fuck out of the park (Winter Soldier/GoTG - Avengers (spectacle was half of that though))

      In films that fail like GL or Goyer's Blade 3(had to bring up your fave if you look hard enough sometimes the writers are dead on but there are outliers.

Studio's get involved and you get GL. GL is a straight forward story - hero is a heroic and charismatic normal guy, gets powers, goes on hero's journey, end story. I can only imagine how much the story "demanded" to put in." I can't imagine any writer with a modicum of talent writing parallax to look and act like that, the forced romantic relationship, the giant testicle head Hector Hammond - it reeked of shoveling in executive demands

Even when that's not the case - sometimes a good writer will get a script going, modway through (and this did happen with GL)  another writer is brought in to "clean up the script". which is Hollywood speak for pick up from where the now fired guy left off and mix a new writing style with plot points that are different than writer #2 wants and eventually, it's a move written by committee with predictable results

Goyer had an amazing plot and opening to Blade 3 (if I could only remember where I read the fucking thing) and say what you will but Goyer is a very good concept man with bad dialogue and third act issues - he works well with partners (hence Batman/Blade 1 and 2 and should have been 3 being so good while others are less so) Wesley Snipes had an absolute meltdown on set and most of the movie was filmed without him. Google patton Oswalt talking about this and check out the you tube outtakes
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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2014, 04:40:46 AM »

@ Dutch - check out Smith's stache in The Pursuit of Happyness" - shave tht bad boy down and give him a rifle, set him up in a belltower somewhere and let the bullets fly

One thing I thought of is in genre specific films you usually get at the very worst  acceptable work if you let your creative team, assuming they are talented, do their jobs and see their vision through with little studio caveats. It's one of the reasons I think Dawn Of Justice will at the very least be better than mediocre but won't be "great." The studio has given the creative talent free reign to see their vision through and it will have the specatacle anticipation of batman/Superman/wonder Woman all on screen together with a clear vision to

- introduce everyone
-make Aquaman a badass
-make Wondder Woman a huge player
- really flesh out Superman's storyline


So here's a prediction. Age of Ultron will blow theaters out of the water - but it will still lose a tiny bit of luster since marvel is expected to deliver now and from all accounts - Star Wars is looking quite good and spoilers seem to  indicate that there are some interesting concepts there.

DC will introduce its cast as the Thanos storyline is winding down to a massive - holy shit finish and then most of the actors will be swapperd out as DC is in the middle of its world building adventures. Marvel will continue to make excellent movies, but there are no guarentee's phase 2 will have the same momentum of building to an incredible showdown of phase 1 - whereas DC will be picking up steam.

Comic book movies will stay strong because of this and  DC will get a  lot of great stuff done
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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2014, 02:27:59 PM »

@ Dutch - check out Smith's stache in The Pursuit of Happyness" - shave tht bad boy down and give him a rifle, set him up in a belltower somewhere and let the bullets fly

Is that the one where he is a sad dad or the one where he's killing himself for organ meat
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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2014, 04:45:11 PM »

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Goyer had an amazing plot and opening to Blade 3 (if I could only remember where I read the fucking thing) and say what you will but Goyer is a very good concept man with bad dialogue and third act issues - he works well with partners (hence Batman/Blade 1 and 2 and should have been 3 being so good while others are less so) Wesley Snipes had an absolute meltdown on set and most of the movie was filmed without him. Google patton Oswalt talking about this and check out the you tube outtakes

Blade 3 had a blind woman in charge of watching the security cameras.
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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2014, 09:30:49 PM »

Fuck I didn't even read the Blade 3 shit

NO SAFADO

GOYER FUCKED UP BLADE TRINITY SOMETHING FIERCE
START TO FINISH

THE OPENING WAS COOL BUT IT WAS JUST ACTION

AND EVEN A LOT OF THE OPENING WAS SHIT

STUPID
START
FINISH
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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2014, 09:31:46 PM »

STOP SAYING BLADE TRINITY HAD REDEEMING QUALITIES ASIDE FROM RYAN REYNOLDS BECAUSE BLADE TRINITY IS THE WORST
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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2014, 01:45:28 AM »

Blade 3 was on its way to excellence but it took a right turn into Michael bay-land - here's the back story: IMHO the concept they had and let go at the beginning would have been great but check out the rest


http://www.blastr.com/2012-11-19/time-wesley-snipes-choked-david-goyer-set-blade-3


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At about the same time Wesley Snipes was making Blade Trinity in the early 2000s, he was also gearing up for a total meltdown that would eventually see him go to prison on tax charges. But did you know that Trinity director David Goyer encouraged Snipes to quit mid-shoot, and the action star allegedly tried to choke out Goyer at one point?

It's all true, according to the film's co-star Patton Oswalt (Hedges), who spilled the details in a lengthy sit-down with The A.V. Club. According to Oswalt, the production was extremely "troubled" and went through a ton of in-fighting before the final film in the Blade trilogy finally made it to the screen in 2004.

Here's an intriguing excerpt from Oswalt's interview:

Oh, Christ. That was the third Blade movie. And there's a scene where Blade goes in and confronts this guy for harvesting humans. That scene was supposed to be the whole basis of the film. Blade is fighting for the last shred of humanity. But they thought that it was just so f---ing grim, so they decided to just have Blade fighting Dracula. It was just one of those; it was a very troubled production. Wesley [Snipes] was just f---ing crazy in a hilarious way. He wouldn't come out of his trailer, and he would smoke weed all day. Which is fine with me, because I had all these DVDs that I wanted to catch up on. We were in Vancouver, and it was always raining. I kept the door to my trailer open to smell the evening rain while I was watching a movie. Then I remember one day on the set--they let everyone pick their own clothes--there was one black actor who was also kind of a club kid. And he wore this shirt with the word "Garbage" on it in big stylish letters. It was his shirt. And Wesley came down to the set, which he only did for close-ups. Everything else was done by his stand-in. I only did one scene with him. But he comes on and goes, "There's only one other black guy in the movie, and you make him wear a shirt that says 'Garbage?' You racist motherf---er!"
And he tried to strangle the director, David Goyer. So later that night, Ron Perlman was in the city. Everyone who makes movies in Vancouver stays in the same hotel. It's like an episode of The Love Boat. Every time the elevator stops, you've got a different celebrity getting on. Like, [announcer voice] "Hey, now we've got Danny Glover!" So we went out that night to some strip club, and we were all drinking. And there were a bunch of bikers there, so David says to them, "I'll pay for all your drinks if you show up to set tomorrow and pretend to be my security." Wesley freaked out and went back to his trailer. [Laughs.] And the next day, Wesley sat down with David and was like, "I think you need to quit. You're detrimental to this movie." And David was like, "Why don't you quit? We've got all your close-ups, and we could shoot the rest with your stand-in." And that freaked Wesley out so much that, for the rest of the production, he would only communicate with the director through Post-it notes. And he would sign each Post-it note "From Blade." [Laughs.]

Wow.
The full interview is well worth a read over at the A.V. Club. The film seemed a little uneven, sure, but who'd have guessed there was this much insanity behind the scenes?


Blade 3 could have been a solid mediocre (if W Snipes had not gone insane) or great if they had the balls to go with the original concept of Blade fighting for humanity's- humanity......
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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2015, 12:47:07 PM »

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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2015, 01:45:53 PM »

Holy shit theres not much news on this whole Superman vs Batmen of Justice movie. The only thing i've seen in like 6 months was that Aquaman poster.
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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2015, 01:58:47 PM »

Yea, because it's going to be terrible.
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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2015, 02:26:01 PM »

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Re: Interesting Take On DC Movies
« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2015, 05:43:14 PM »

I blame you, Ramz
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