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Re: Best Basketball 5-Man Team: Need Advice
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2015, 12:08:54 PM »
What do you think of Bird's defense?

More of an effort guy, than anything. Bird and Michael Jordan had the same cold blooded mind set, Bird just wasn't a great athlete and milked everything he could out of his body and was one of the most skilled players of all times when it came to shooting the basketball. Just had great basketball savvy, knack for knowing where the ball would bounce to on the rebound, etc. But in an all-star level game, I'd pass on his lethal shooting for someone with a little less shooting ability but more athleticism and better D, which is Durant.

Interesting lists. Would Stockton have defensive problems in a 'league' like this?
Yes.

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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2015, 02:24:34 PM »
Prime, Bird had athletic limitations, but as Wyntyr stated is underrated as a defender. He may not have the athleticism to stay with some of today's super athletic wingmen, but he was a really good team defender.

And let's not act like Durant is LeBron defensively either.

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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2015, 04:50:22 AM »
Interesting lists. Would Stockton have defensive problems in a 'league' like this?

Somewhat. His speed, toughness and most of all his ability to spread the ball would far make up for any shortcomings. There is a reason why there is almost always a traditional point guard on every team. Not many players on these lists would be able to D him up all that well either.

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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2015, 08:39:11 AM »
Prime, Bird had athletic limitations, but as Wyntyr stated is underrated as a defender. He may not have the athleticism to stay with some of today's super athletic wingmen, but he was a really good team defender.

And let's not act like Durant is LeBron defensively either.
He was underrated, but there is NO WAY in hell he could guard the likes of Lebron or Durant, which is what he would have to do in this situation more often than not. Only guys staying in front of Kevin Durant or Lebron...are Durant and Lebron themselves, or maybe a defensive specialist like Artest or Kawhi Leonard or Scottie Pippen. But no one would sacrifice the scoring, so Lebron and Durant are the clear choices. Bird couldn't guard them, but the reverse is a little more likely.

Interesting lists. Would Stockton have defensive problems in a 'league' like this?

Somewhat. His speed, toughness and most of all his ability to spread the ball would far make up for any shortcomings. There is a reason why there is almost always a traditional point guard on every team. Not many players on these lists would be able to D him up all that well either.
He'd have defensive problems at this level. Stockton grabbed a lot of steals because he had quick hands but he was by no means a ball stopper, especially in a league like this where the Pg most teams will have will likely be someone like Magic or Isiah Thomas or Steve Nash. He couldn't guard any of them.

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Re: Best Basketball 5-Man Team: Need Advice
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2015, 08:41:23 AM »
In a league like this, the only Point Guard I would consider is Gary Payton, honestly.

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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2015, 01:52:36 PM »
Yet Payton says John Stockton was harder to cover than Michael Jordan. Stockton in this situation is perfect. He himself is small and fast and shifty, which makes him very hard to cover over the course of a season for bigger guys. Prime Stockton is easily as good as Nash, Kidd etc.

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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2015, 03:02:24 PM »
Yet Payton says John Stockton was harder to cover than Michael Jordan. Stockton in this situation is perfect. He himself is small and fast and shifty, which makes him very hard to cover over the course of a season for bigger guys. Prime Stockton is easily as good as Nash, Kidd etc.

Specifically because of the Pick and Roll. Not going to be much of a factor when you have athletic Centers and forwards who have no issues switching and coming to the top of the key to defend. Stockton was another grit/savvy kind of guy, he was NEVER especially fast or shifty. That doesn't work when you have players with this level of skill set and athleticism.

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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2015, 03:33:51 AM »
None of the Centers in this will be able to switch on Stockton with continued success. If this is played like an All Star game then he might not be the best fit. However this is a mini season and teamwork will mean teams will mean more than the sums of its parts. Stockton was very fast, I think not being as athletic or quick is clouding your view. Also the teams that don't run plays here are going to fail miserably. Stockton in this topic is a bigger asset than Durant.

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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2015, 05:46:24 AM »
It's interesting. I presumed that players like a Bird, Magic, or Stockton would have trouble (defensively) against teams where every player was an offensive threat, and thus there were no easier defensive assignments.
Maybe others see it differently.

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Re: Best Basketball 5-Man Team: Need Advice
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2015, 08:59:02 AM »
None of the Centers in this will be able to switch on Stockton with continued success. If this is played like an All Star game then he might not be the best fit. However this is a mini season and teamwork will mean teams will mean more than the sums of its parts. Stockton was very fast, I think not being as athletic or quick is clouding your view. Also the teams that don't run plays here are going to fail miserably. Stockton in this topic is a bigger asset than Durant.

Hakeem Olajuwon could come out to the top of the key and defend with ease. Kareem too. Only Center I see getting picked who can't do it is Shaq. Stockton WAS NEVER ESPECIALLY FAST. He was FUNDAMENTALLY GREAT. Very good shooter, high basketball IQ, basketball savvy. Gary Payton specifically had trouble guarding him because he had to fight through pick after pick after pick Stockton would call for. He WOULD NEVER EVER be allowed to dominate the ball like that on the same floor as Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant, the Utah Jazz was Stockton dribbling around, penetrating and dishing, running the pick and roll with Malone, taking jumpers. That is not going down on the same floor with Michael Jordan. So if he isn't going to bring that offensively, you're better off finding a more athletic guard who can give you more on the defensive end of the floor.
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« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2015, 12:27:40 PM »
Prime is right on most points here.

Stockton in this topic is a bigger asset than Durant.

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Re: Best Basketball 5-Man Team: Need Advice
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2015, 04:52:01 PM »
EH I disagree. Stockton would be hard for any Center to guard. Especially over the course of a season like this. There is a reason why teams have the same general structure and not all big guys or small guys on a team. Having a guy like Stockton or Kidd etc on a team like this is just as important as having big guys on the team. I think you guys are confusing an all star or and 1 game with what real basketball would look like. This won't be about alley oops and an abundance of jump shots.

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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2015, 05:07:13 PM »
That's why I have Lebron playing point forward. Jordan was one of the best perimeter defenders of all time, he can take PG's and Lebron can guard SG's because he has the quickness to do so. Lebron can see the floor as well as just about anyone and is an all time great distributor THAT WOULDN'T MIND PASSING THE BALL INSTEAD OF SHOOTING. But he can also take over a game and drop 30 if he needs to.

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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2015, 02:11:23 PM »
I've been thinking that it's probably better to design a team with specific roles rather than having just the best player at each position. With that in mind, LeBron is the linchpin in this team, and I want him to run the point, and be surrounded by shooters.

PG Tim Hardaway
SG Ray Allen
Point Foward LeBron James
Power Forward Dirk Nowitski
Center Tim Duncan

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« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2015, 02:14:18 PM »
Not so sure about the Ray Allen pick. I'd want him to be from his 1st year in Boston, but even then he was still a slight defensive liability.

Might swap out for Bruce Bowen or Jimmy Butler. Or Better yet, Glen Rice.