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Re: Marvel sticking the finger to FOX
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2014, 05:25:33 PM »
that and the issues immediately following Heroes Return were the last times I can recall enjoying the series

Once Claremont took over I stopped buying it and only picked up a handful of issues ever since

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Re: Marvel sticking the finger to FOX
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2014, 06:27:12 PM »
IMHO Reed is the least interesting thing about the FF, and has been for some time.


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Re: Marvel sticking the finger to FOX
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2014, 05:33:05 AM »
The Claremont run is one of the sloppiest runs I've ever read on the FF. That's not to say it was poorly written, but it's like, the premise of the book could change per issue, and that's not necessarily a bad thing but if it changes within the same arc it becomes convoluted.

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Re: Marvel sticking the finger to FOX
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2014, 09:57:05 AM »
Cancelling the comic has nothing to do with the Fox films.

It seems abundantly clear that it has everything to do with the bad blood between Fox & Marvel/Disney. Bleeding Cool called this ages ago with lots of references to artists/creators being told not to include the Fantastic Four and associated characters, Galactus, mutants etc in promotional images, posters etc. It goes way beyond low comic sales.

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Re: Marvel sticking the finger to FOX
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2014, 10:12:57 AM »
Cancelling the comic has nothing to do with the Fox films.

It seems abundantly clear that it has everything to do with the bad blood between Fox & Marvel/Disney. Bleeding Cool called this ages ago with lots of references to artists/creators being told not to include the Fantastic Four and associated characters, Galactus, mutants etc in promotional images, posters etc. It goes way beyond low comic sales.

FF wasn't a top seller and consistently at the bottom of the sales charts. Reed and Doom are set to continued to be featured heavily in the upcoming year. The characters aren't going away/disappearing just the book. What's the "abundance" of evidence, then? And no, Bleeding Cool's rumors/speculation isn't actual evidence.

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Re: Marvel sticking the finger to FOX
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2014, 04:51:24 PM »
Anyone else think its sad that the FF book, which launched the Marvel age, cant sell?

While a big chunk of blame has to fall on creative, an equal amount has to be on the fans, who wont support the book, causing Marvel to keep revamping the title...

So you think fans should spend our money on a book we dislike just because of it's historical relevance? Yeah, no.

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Re: Marvel sticking the finger to FOX
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2014, 08:18:20 PM »
That's the nature of comic books. Marvel decides the quality of talent on the title.

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Re: Marvel sticking the finger to FOX
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2014, 09:44:33 PM »
FF wasn't a top seller and consistently at the bottom of the sales charts. Reed and Doom are set to continued to be featured heavily in the upcoming year. The characters aren't going away/disappearing just the book. What's the "abundance" of evidence, then?

The characters dont have to go away if someone like Hickman wants to use them - theres no reason for Marvel to give much of a shit about that.

However every storyline, character etc that Marvel publishes in the FF/X-Books becomes the IP of Fox in terms of movies. i.e. them using Whedon's mutant cure storyline in X3. So creative effort that Marvel invests in those books is essentially work its doing for free for a corporation that they fucking hate.

If a book just has low sales you might relaunch it, attach a new creative team or cancel it. But theres no reason that you would instruct artists doing promotional images, posters etc that any characters associated with that book are off limits and reject/alter such artwork so as to feature some other character that Marvel has the film rights to.

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And no, Bleeding Cool's rumors/speculation isn't actual evidence.

Its not rock solid proof but there long series of stories/leaks on this issue, apart from gaining credibility by coming to pass, fit everything we have seen much better than the idea that Marvel is just cancelling another low seeling book. I dont think its even debatable at this stage.

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Re: Marvel sticking the finger to FOX
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2014, 10:42:04 AM »
They need actuall kickboxers for the FF roles so they can utilize the Fox suits in combat.

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Re: Marvel sticking the finger to FOX
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2014, 05:58:08 PM »
the Waid run sold well. That was as clean a core concept presentation as has been done in forever.