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How should they do the democratic debates this year

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How should they do the democratic debates this year
« on: April 15, 2019, 12:28:30 AM »
Its a lot of people in the debate.
And you want different people to have time to speak

How shoudl they do it
Lottery, having to get past a certain thresehold, how

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Re: How should they do the democratic debates this year
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2019, 12:39:06 PM »
I don't know how they should debate between themselves, but for the love of God avoid debating identity politics in the General. That's tantamount to voting for Trump themselves

If I hear smart things on health care policy, talk on shoring up military weaknesses, and proper negotiations with pharma companies on drug prices I could vote without crying

If I hear that Senator so-and-so is going to choose a black, transgender, gay, Muslim for Vice-President to hit the diversity notes and start with an apology tour to everyone who has been wronged ever because hey, they're sensitive - we're all screwed

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Re: How should they do the democratic debates this year
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2019, 12:50:09 PM »
Well Idenity poltics depends on what you

Because it not like there isn't WHITE idenity politics that being played. Hell republicasn been playing that since the souther stragedy was a thing. Part of Trump winning was playing that well. Kind of like when I point of people say The dems need to do more to win over the white working class is true..but just note THATS idenity politics. Hell a lot of politics are idenity politics of some sort

So depends on what it

Reperations..maybe not talk about that

imigrations, migrants, the dreamers...that something you might HAVE to talk about considering what been happening.  And that being called idenity poltics. You still have to talk about that. Since the dems let the right frame that issue. Making people think Dems are for open boarder..when really there no big dem that running that actully for that.  So you got to talk about it sometimes so people wont falsly frame what your about


or if you talking prison reform and stuff like that that mixed into that

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Re: How should they do the democratic debates this year
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2019, 02:56:37 AM »
The GOP plays identity politics like crazy. Hell they are a party full of people that get TRIGGERED if the word Christmas is not on their disposable coffee cup. That said, they win by pandering and using a victim complex to speak to voters.

The Democrats mostly use identity politics to keep from facing tough issues like health care, the wars, stagnant wages, the environment, money in politics, educational costs, etc. They substitute checking off boxes for facing the reality that they cannot continue to live in a 90's Clinton mega-donor bubble forever.
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Re: How should they do the democratic debates this year
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2019, 10:56:56 AM »
Well think they should have least 6 to 10 main debates

have the baby debate a little bit maybe 5 or 6 pretty sure it be wittle down kind of fast. To get in the main one, mixture of threseholds and lotteries.  Sucks Tulsa wont make a lot of them. She would be a nice voice to hear. But fuck it she had like no percent. Each one should have a main focused. 


As for stragedy. People argue reather to talk about corruption or Trump. And I argue the two overlap

Also while you dont want to drive away the moderates, you also cant be affraid to play to your base. Since this will be won who turns out. Since Trump basicly just got Romney numbers. It just Hillary didn't get the base to turn out. Trump is smart in tossing bloody red meat to his base on the daily basis. It ok to tossed out some kale to ours. Basicly since it stops the right from framing the issues. And a lot of progressive polices are actully really popular. If they can get young people to turn out with the numbers and frequence near the same level of older people...policits going to change drasticly

Since it clear we always got to beat the spread to win these things

Someone made the point Republicans scared of their base, dems despite theirs. Lot of eyes going to be the debates, it time to start framing the issues. Health care will be big. Know people don't like Bill mhare. But he made a point when he ask

can trump get away with the same con on health care. Before he said he end obama care and give you his plan LATER.  IT clear he didn't have a plan.  Millions lost health care. Now he making the EXACT same argument. Also centrist is not good if the other end of the spectrum extreme.  Like if someone says I will beat you to death going "Ok I will only beat you half to death,,,see I in the center"  is not somehting that will impress me

Cant let him do that. Got to hammer on health care, their tax plan. and hammer the message again and again. And once we pick someone..every dem on TV need to hammer their message and be on a similar page. Got to be clear what their stance on immmigration. Because all the people running not actully for complete open boarders despite what the right say. And you got to keep telling your stance on these things...again, and again and the point of annoyance. Just hammer the shit so it be no mistake

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Re: How should they do the democratic debates this year
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2019, 02:25:59 PM »
^^^^^^
Most of that is fine, but the neolibs are actively dealing out of both sides of the deck already. They call for unity, while everyone from Pelosi to Obama to Hoyer to Manchin undermines it unless such is totally on their terms.

Tulsi's big thing atm is qualifying for the early debate(s). Which she did. Hopefully she makes a good enough impression and gets a bump from it like Buttigieg or Yang are getting lately. Which perhaps could set up a cabinet or congressional appointment. People like her or even Mike Gravel are good to have because they have actual messages that should be heard on a big stage. As opposed to corporate Dem suit #12. Someone like Terry " Bag Man" McAuliffe for example, would add nothing. Except maybe "This is a guy who moved huge amounts of $$$ for the Clintons over the years. I think I will vote Trump or not show up."

Yeah health care is and is going to continue to be BIG. From 2020 and onward since the current problems are only going to get worse without major changes. Even Republicans and Fox News audiences can see US healthcare is broken. And only the most brainwashed buy a notion that complete deregulation will do anything but further empower those who are the primary problems.

Whichever party can own that, and ending the excess overseas war mongering, can own politics for the next decade. 
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Re: How should they do the democratic debates this year
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2019, 02:42:53 PM »
Yea a bunch of Pelosi and Manchin comment been lately. But don't find Obama comment about guys let's not do a circular firing squad, to be that out

Because even among progressive wing that happens, some on the left  lately paint Tulsa as a war hungry dictator loving , gay hating mad woman. Let also paradoxly a woman susposely just an sjw to

Now is it a lot of people using that complaint to quiet progressives. The whole "hey vote against progressives policies 80 percent of the time but still progressive people..big tent people big tent"

That's bs too


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Re: How should they do the democratic debates this year
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2019, 02:49:39 PM »
They need to focus on policy.  Wasting time on identity politics or simply talking about how shitty Trump and Republicans are won't be enough.

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Re: How should they do the democratic debates this year
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2019, 03:33:18 PM »
They need to focus on policy.  Wasting time on identity politics or simply talking about how shitty Trump and Republicans are won't be enough.

Yup

Health Care
The wars
The incarceration state
Education
Wages
Voting rights
Money in politics
Climate change
Tax reform
Anti-corruption in politics and business
Basic gun laws

They could own this Republican party, if only the tired-corrupt-out-of-ideas 80's/90's crowd would get out of the way.
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Re: How should they do the democratic debates this year
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2019, 03:51:31 PM »
Ah, and net neutrality. That is a subject 90%+ of the public supports. Even Republican strongly support it. It's a slam dunk for any Dem. Or should be.

But the corporate Dems cannot even get on the same page there. When our own Senator Kyrsten Sinema gets asked about it on Twitter, she just posts reviews of places to see and restaurants to eat at in AZ.  ::)
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Re: How should they do the democratic debates this year
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2019, 04:22:56 PM »
They need to focus on policy.  Wasting time on identity politics or simply talking about how shitty Trump and Republicans are won't be enough.

Yup

Health Care
The wars
The incarceration state
Education
Wages
Voting rights
Money in politics
Climate change
Tax reform
Anti-corruption in politics and business
Basic gun laws

They could own this Republican party, if only the tired-corrupt-out-of-ideas 80's/90's crowd would get out of the way.


Which why I say depends on what you mean by identity politics

Because

Voting rights
Incarceration rate

Gets put under that banner a lot
Hell gun laws sometimes as well