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« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2019, 11:58:11 PM »
also think who ever wins the primary have to get their base out

Trump is excelent at one thing...tossing blood soaked red meat to his base.  He goes from 32 to 45 approval back and fourth. He never really had over 50.  But those 32 people are RIDE OR DIE..who will come out.  Dems on the other hand scared to play up to thier base. They seem to focused on getting anymore who not thier base..  Part of the thinking.."We already got our base".  No...no you don't. Dems aren't as likely voters as the republicans base. It depends on who you pick

Think both Biden, Beto and Bernie has some good pluses that may help in the general. Being dude always help in some circle once you get out of primary. White can help to. Since that TWO less things they got to worry about. Although in the primary some might be hesitant. Think Bernie may be the best at untite ..since progressive will go wild. And think Biden voters will vote for him anyway. Worried that the republicans kind of held back agianst them and if they don;t have a secret bag of shit to dump on him.  I republicans put thier full focuses on him. And without Biden in there think Booker willing to attack him on the crime bill stuff. Bernie doesnt have to get the black vote..but can't lose it by muliple double digits and win. It got to be least 40 or so percent

Tulsa i am not sure why she getting so poor traction. Think she at 1 percent. Know the gay comment were bad but damm


If America has to depend on the Baby Boomer Generation of voters and their style of politicians to straighten things out............well...............that is rather depressing.  :'(

What about Gen X...they getting kind of old to

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« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2019, 12:38:25 AM »
Gen X is not really that old. They just have never had the numbers to offset the Boomers. Philosophy wise, they are generally a step in the right direction. But by nature they are an in-between generation. Not a pack leader one.

Tulsi was always going to be a long shot. Yeah, she has not even been able to really "have a moment" yet. She's made some image mistakes and has views that the military industrial complex and national agencies loathe. She's also received little positive or even neutral mainstream coverage, as far as I have seen. The Assad stuff hurts her with some. Representing just a district from a state in the middle of an ocean probably doesn't help, either.

She is within four thousand donations of qualifying for the first debates in June. And has until May 15 to get there. So at least her unique focus will likely get a chance to be heard. Albeit briefly I suspect. Still beats the spot going to likely corporate hand puppet #14 or whatever. 
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« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2019, 01:54:39 AM »
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If America has to depend on the Baby Boomer Generation of voters and their style of politicians to straighten things out............well...............that is rather depressing.  :'(

I'm not saying we have to depend on them. baby Boomers are moving in large part into their mid-60's by 2020-2022

They are enormous demographically and as people eligible for medical treatments paid for by the government and social benefits, they're not going to vote for Republicans to strip away Medicare, Medicaid, and if they're not well off financially - social security.

It's not a moral question, it's just people voting their self-interestsIt's why I don't see Bernie as a viable candidate over Beto O'Rourke, he's a one-note candidate, a populist, and a friggin socialist.

Trump to the uninitiated can come across as a successful businessman who tells it like it is - that's what his base thinks - they don't understand what an entitled, sociopathic, heir to a half billion dollars, jackass he is. He's also never been above 44% in 538 and he floats between 38-42%.

It wouldn't take much to make Trump lose part of his base. Demographics change, mild recession, and I say off he goes but he already lives the life of a Florida retiree.

Gen X is not really that old.
Gen X at the fringes is mostly people in their late 30's to early 40's. That's not even middle-age in my own personal definition. I have some kooky ideas and research on anti-aging medicine and research. It's a lot of 90's kids who are getting serious about life and have some experience under their belt

Demographic researchers have to paint broad strokes so Gen X technically encompasses people born in the 60's, but realistically, if Nirvana and Pearl jam were big deals in your adolescence - that's about Gen X






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« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2019, 02:40:39 AM »
Too early to say, but I think we might agree on much about aging and such. I dabble in that some too. Though largely from the nutritional pov.

Far as the Boomer points go, maybe we are talking past each other? Basically I am saying many politically active ones don't seem to overly care about younger generations or what situations they pass down much. Sure, many will want more benefits or security for themselves. But if you are decades from being old enough or not all but on deaths door atm, I don't see comprehensive change coming out of a Boomer interest surge in their own healthcare. More likely, better stuff for old people of the moment and more tax cuts. For many Gen Xers, Millennials, and Gen Zers? It sounds too much like "Let them eat cake."

Perhaps I am just overly cynical from living an area with a surplus of older people. Like any age group, some of them can be pretty nice in a casual way. But from occasional coffee cluthing with a more aged crowd........well lets just say I totally get how America's political system has became completely messed up. And even how Trump ascended all the way.

I've been flat out told by more than one, that said persons rather, in effect look down on people "Stupid enough to volunteer for wars we fought to get out of." And that  ( Paraphrased from memory ) "No one drafted them, they should have known what could happen. We were being forced, so not the same." 

"The healthcare system is why we (his family) have a good life. There is always help for those who really need it. No one does without in America."

And yes I know. They are merely individuals and experiences.

Can't say I understand Sanders being seen as one note without also thinking Beto is absolute zero notes, at this point.

When used by pro politicos/media and such socialist fear mongering is becoming rather tired or distorted at this point. It's one of the go to attempted smears for individuals/politicians of the Hannity-think or even Donny Deutsch types that don't have or don't want to have their own ideas for comprehensive changes.
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« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2019, 07:36:56 PM »
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Too early to say, but I think we might agree on much about aging and such. I dabble in that some too. Though largely from the nutritional pov.

I'll hook you up with a newsletter form a specialist in the Mauldin economic group. Ther'es some research that is quite frankly, mind-boggling. A few researchers "off-hand story" are trying some of these new meds out on their dogs and extending their lives up to 5-7 years. No fluff or woo stuff, the newsletter really gets into the weeds and deals with the cutting edge of biotech,

I also have a list of supplements one of these researchers posted after an interview on Joe Rogan which aren't the cutting edge stuff they are discussing which need FDA approval,etc..... but well-considered supplements with really good
 track records. I can't say "proven" because supplements need years of double-blind replicable studies to be considered "proven," but to all practical effects and purposes, they are known by everyone to be incredibly effective.

Check out Jim Mellon biotech (google) to see one of the pioneers of a real anti-aging group and the running thought from them is a consistent if you are alive within 20-25 years you might get another 50. I'm a geopolitical/Investment nerd and this sort of came up by accident in my daily reading and research. The full newsletter is expensive but if circumstances warrant I might try to invest in it. There are some anti-concussion treatments I find very fascinating as well

Onto politics!!!!!


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Far as the Boomer points go, maybe we are talking past each other? Basically I am saying many politically active ones don't seem to overly care about younger generations or what situations they pass down much. Sure, many will want more benefits or security for themselves. But if you are decades from being old enough or not all but on deaths door atm, I don't see comprehensive change coming out of a Boomer interest surge in their own healthcare. More likely, better stuff for old people of the moment and more tax cuts. For many Gen Xers, Millennials, and Gen Zers? It sounds too much like "Let them eat cake."


What I'm saying is that people vote in their own interests.

I'm not sure why you're referring to anti-war sentiment, especially considering tht I think the US is attempting to become more isolationist and rewirte the rules of the global order while facing down China and Russia but people don't vote for international relations unless the nation is at war

And it's not

In a few very short years the people who will be eligible for increased health care and benefits are not going to vote for Republicans who clearly want to do away with those benefits even in lieu of not having a plan to care for not only the poor, but the chronic diseases of the nation.

Even the middle class won't vote to trim Medicare.

That's only significant because they will become such a large voting bloc.

Where are we talking past each other? I consider it a demographic issue and I think you consider it a morals and values associated one 

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« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2019, 04:02:55 PM »
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If America has to depend on the Baby Boomer Generation of voters and their style of politicians to straighten things out............well...............that is rather depressing.  :'(

I'm not saying we have to depend on them. baby Boomers are moving in large part into their mid-60's by 2020-2022

They are enormous demographically and as people eligible for medical treatments paid for by the government and social benefits, they're not going to vote for Republicans to strip away Medicare, Medicaid, and if they're not well off financially - social security.

It's not a moral question, it's just people voting their self-interestsIt's why I don't see Bernie as a viable candidate over Beto O'Rourke, he's a one-note candidate, a populist, and a friggin socialist.

Trump to the uninitiated can come across as a successful businessman who tells it like it is - that's what his base thinks - they don't understand what an entitled, sociopathic, heir to a half billion dollars, jackass he is. He's also never been above 44% in 538 and he floats between 38-42%.

It wouldn't take much to make Trump lose part of his base. Demographics change, mild recession, and I say off he goes but he already lives the life of a Florida retiree.

Gen X is not really that old.
Gen X at the fringes is mostly people in their late 30's to early 40's. That's not even middle-age in my own personal definition. I have some kooky ideas and research on anti-aging medicine and research. It's a lot of 90's kids who are getting serious about life and have some experience under their belt

Demographic researchers have to paint broad strokes so Gen X technically encompasses people born in the 60's, but realistically, if Nirvana and Pearl jam were big deals in your adolescence - that's about Gen X


https://communityrising.kasasa.com/gen-x-gen-y-gen-z/

According to this and multiple stuff I found they reach 40's to 50;s

As of 2019, the breakdown by age looks something like this:

Baby Boomers: Baby boomers were born between 1944 and 1964. They're current between 55-75 years old (76 million in U.S.)
Gen X: Gen X was born between 1965 - 1979 and are currently between 40-54 years old (82 million people in U.S.)
Gen Y: Gen Y, or Millennials, were born between 1980 and 1994. They are currently between 25-39 years old.
Gen Y.1 = 25-29 years old (31 million people in U.S.)
Gen Y.2 = 29-39 (42 million peeps)
Gen Z: Gen Z is the newest generation to be named and were born between 1995 and 2015. They are currently between 4-24 years old (nearly 74 million in U.S.)

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« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2019, 10:23:42 PM »
Mehhhhhh

A lot of Gen X is closer or toeing the line to Gen Y and Baby Boomers needs to be broken down better

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55-75 years old (76 million in U.S.

The real question here is how many of those 76 million are closer to 65 and benefits. That has political ramifications.

Gen X is weird. I personally feel that it would be more accurate to place the majority of Gen X with Gen y in terms of classification and shared demographics and values.

These demographics are meant to understand and predict voting and financial patterns of age blocs and while baby boomers is related to a particular event (baby boom post-WW-2)

The spending habits of a 39-40-year-old man or woman, who might still be starting a family later in the game (a lot of couples I know got their careers started and had children from 37-42) and voting interests will be VERY different than someone who is technically in the same demographic bracket than a 54 year old but that has spending and demographic habits that are wildly different

Just for reference - two books that really informed me and got me researching into demographics were two books by Peter Zeihan - The Accidental Superpower and the Absent Superpower

I've learned a lot since those books got me started on demographics but demographics like these are meant to predict capital and economic trends, voting trends, and the pressures on social safety nets and the like

Theoretically, a young man goes to school, gets married, starts a family and needs capital. By the time the man reaches his 40's the kids are almost out of the house, the house is paid down and loans are paid down as well and consumption slows while another generation picks up the slack to keep capital flowing

In broad strokes, that's predictable.

Realistically I know plenty of people who wait until their late 30's early 40's to start family - medical technology makes it easier if there are any issues.

People in major metropolitan areas are far more likely to wait until their late 30's, early 40's to start a family and have just one or two children. People in rural areas are more likely to fit the larger-scale demographic


Gen Z is and born in the 60's Gen Xers are likely to have far different ideas on lending due to hitting their formative years in the middle of terrible economic crises (72-73 hyper-inflation and Opec oil embargo and 2008)

So, these are very broad strokes



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« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2019, 02:24:22 AM »
I one of the few that don't get mad at a lot of baby boomers for collecting benifits. Because tecneiclly they paid for it

Social Security. Something people pay into. And it SHOULD have more people. Since you count all the people who die before they can collect it, through disease, accident , etc.  But people have picked from it for OTHER stuff over the years. That why Gore had that LOCK BOX idea...that people made fun of him for because he sounded like a robot

Gen X I remember were kind of aphatietic..fuck the world type of thing. But they also didn't cause as much shit as baby boomers. But they didn't start the fire, Didn't add to much gasaloline to it, but didn't do a great deal in helping put it out


Today youtth going to be in a unique sitiation.  With automatic stuff, Jobs not neccesary gone..but will change drasticly. Where we going to have to change how we trained people and may need some goverment intervention to keep up with the world. Because the world surpassing us in a lot of ways.


Younger activist a lot more involve. And that actully a good thing. Beause if people in there 20's start voting with the same freuquence as really old people..then that going to change goverment a lot, Because it a lot of them. And they tend to lean left

Hope they a little smarter about it. Sometimes they make the fight harder then it need to be by try out REAL each other

Take medicare for all. Some other progressive like Warren got shit for not wanting to totaly get rid of private insurance. And some say public option is no longer stronger enough. Because other nations have private insurance. To me this is faulted

1) most of those nations still have some form of public insurance. So it not all or nother
2) medicare for all used to be just a name for public option. Remember when it started. People were like just say "Hey you like your medicare. Where expanding it to more people..medicare for all". That basicly how the term started
3) When you talk about taking away private insurance it starts to poll a little more poorly

Stuff like that just seem like an unessercery wrinkle to add to fight.  Same with stuff like Reperations. As an angry black guy "who like tossing garbage can into pizzerias" I get an idea of that...but is now really the time. Is it worth to have that divisive type of fight...right now. When we have a mad man in office. Won't criminal reform, ending the war on drugs, and some sort of new deal help black people more then just handing them money. Hell I don't know if even most black people give a shit.

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« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2019, 03:15:19 AM »
Pissing on Warren is going too far for me. Some probably hold grudges, or just don't trust her because she can seem to try to please everyone on some items. I look almost exclusively at POLICY though and hers are good. Not as good as Sanders overall imo. But probably better than just about anyone else's.

Do people really like their insurance companies? Or do they not really use it yet, or just like their doctors? Essentially insurance companies are predatory mafia middle men that increase costs significantly with little benefit to actual patients. The GOP is great at advertising the lies. While the corporate Dems are also bought, and largely stay silent or vague publically while undercutting progressives behind the scenes.
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« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2019, 12:11:21 PM »
Pissing on Warren is going too far for me. Some probably hold grudges, or just don't trust her because she can seem to try to please everyone on some items. I look almost exclusively at POLICY though and hers are good. Not as good as Sanders overall imo. But probably better than just about anyone else's.

Do people really like their insurance companies? Or do they not really use it yet, or just like their doctors? Essentially insurance companies are predatory mafia middle men that increase costs significantly with little benefit to actual patients. The GOP is great at advertising the lies. While the corporate Dems are also bought, and largely stay silent or vague publically while undercutting progressives behind the scenes.

Sure some like it. A lot least think its good.  Of course this may be because they haven't run into anytting big, or gotten sick enough where the insurance company tried to fuck them over. If you want something small sure they have no issue paying for it. But if you need MULTIPLE test..then they start fucking you over

Sure they don't fuck over everyone. Got to help a few people to make it look good. Also think they been told goverment sucks..government can't do anything. So goverment insurance only may not seem like a good thing. And dems never argued FOR government. It hasn't been a counter argument to government have to suck..since recently. And here the thing medicare for all..in it launch..might suck a bit for a while. It going to be a massive thing..and anything massive like that going to have a few hicups. But if we ride that out think it will be good and will push private insurance out anyway. You may not see the benifits for a while..maybe after the next mid terms. So dems got to ride it out. It will save us money but the launch going to be massivly expensive. But we have to ride it out because if we continue as we been going without a massive change going to be way worst.

I just know when you mention losing your person insurance medicare doesn't poll that well. So I am thinking why add that to it...when multiple countries have goverment health care and private insurance together

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« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2019, 11:45:18 PM »
Health care is a  dumpster fire.

I want to move back to the US and can't yet because it's too expensive to buy insulin. If I move back now, I'll still have to fly out to Brazil a few times a year to buy medicine in bulk - which is not a bad idea really.

Even with health care, health insurance companies don't give you the quantity f medicine you need, and you have to fight for essential medicines you need that mysteriously they don't feel like covering

I know the production costs of a lot of these medicines too, which is even more frustrating Insulin is cheap to manufacture

Along with mixing government health care and private insurance, the government has to create two solutions

1 - price-gouging essential medicine is unforgivable for anyone - absolutely anyone. The government is the top customer for every drug so how is it possible for lobbying to get prices up to 3000% markups

2 - Insurance should reward positive outcomes and build a business model off of that

But that is unforgivable in the US

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« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2019, 02:13:55 PM »
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Too early to say, but I think we might agree on much about aging and such. I dabble in that some too. Though largely from the nutritional pov.

I'll hook you up with a newsletter form a specialist in the Mauldin economic group. Ther'es some research that is quite frankly, mind-boggling. A few researchers "off-hand story" are trying some of these new meds out on their dogs and extending their lives up to 5-7 years. No fluff or woo stuff, the newsletter really gets into the weeds and deals with the cutting edge of biotech,

I also have a list of supplements one of these researchers posted after an interview on Joe Rogan which aren't the cutting edge stuff they are discussing which need FDA approval,etc..... but well-considered supplements with really good
 track records. I can't say "proven" because supplements need years of double-blind replicable studies to be considered "proven," but to all practical effects and purposes, they are known by everyone to be incredibly effective.

Check out Jim Mellon biotech (google) to see one of the pioneers of a real anti-aging group and the running thought from them is a consistent if you are alive within 20-25 years you might get another 50. I'm a geopolitical/Investment nerd and this sort of came up by accident in my daily reading and research. The full newsletter is expensive but if circumstances warrant I might try to invest in it. There are some anti-concussion treatments I find very fascinating as well


By the way, I forgot to acknowledge/thank you for this info. Thanks. Peace.

I've really begun taking the next step in personal health. Doctor likes my numbers, save for LDLs which are not terrible but could use improvement. I was never that big on red meat, have not touched it in years now. My next mountain is tougher : white grains. But I've really begun to make a sincere effort and it seems to be paying off.
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« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2019, 11:10:59 PM »
PM or email, I can help you with this.

What's your bog problem? Weight loss? Muscle mass?

Their's easy ways to create good habits.

I'm a type 1 diabetic and a fighter. My weight and health are a non-stop overwhelming burden on my life and have been forever.

Due to a long ass, unbelievably convoluted story, I'm dealing with some fucked up health issues and recently they've taken a turn for the better.

I took up cooking as a hobby and EVERYTHING got better.

Once I started enjoying cooking, I became really aware of what's in every kind of food and spending money in restaurants unless it's a social occasion, has begun to feel wasteful.

I'm also aware of how bad certain food is because I know what's in everything.

For those who just don't like cooking, slow-pot cookers are miraculous  Js throw food in there and it comes out perfectly. There are slow pot recipe books that will make you feel like a chef. I personally LOVE the cooking shows and torture everyone around me by trying out recipes and getting them jussttttttt right. Slow cookers are great in a pinch though. Air fryers as well

That, the right workouts, and a few supplements and you'll be great!

Let me know what's doing and I can help.



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« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2019, 11:20:47 PM »
I took up cooking as a hobby and EVERYTHING got better.

Once I started enjoying cooking, I became really aware of what's in every kind of food and spending money in restaurants unless it's a social occasion, has begun to feel wasteful.

Agreed. Eating out regularly is one of the worst things a person can do for their health.


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« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2019, 01:55:30 AM »
Yeah, it's unreal. After being fucked up for a while I'm trying to diet back into my weight category and by cooking I'm in control of my diabetes and my competition weight and I can even tweak how I feel with the ingredients

When I cook, the only food I really crave is Japanese (don't know why but sashimi) and some Asian staples like Pad Thai that require cooking material I don't have.

Other than that, a protein-vegetable based diet makes me feel better when training. More like I'm feeding muscle and recovery and almost ready to back to competitions than eating anything at a restaurant

On a side note, I'm a type 1 Diabetic which none of you are but just reducing your insulin levels will make you feel like a million dollars. I'm dropping body fat fast and hard by using all of my diabeto tricks to use less insulin in a day.

If I have to over correct with insulin injections for one day I feel like trash the next day

Do whatever you guys have to do to become more insulin-sensitive. Cinnamon, no processed flour, fasted cardio, you won't believe the results and good feeling