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MCU Captain Marvel vs DCCU Superman
« on: March 13, 2019, 07:41:21 PM »
It was gonna happen sooner or later.

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Re: MCU Captain Marvel vs DCCU Superman
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2019, 08:26:55 PM »
She's not at a power level that can take on dceu supes as of yet this may change after end game

her best quantifiable speed feat so far is 3/4 Lightspeed

 this is based on her flight to engage the Kree ships when they appeared out of warp visually from the ground they appeared to be about half to 3/4 the size of the moon as we perceive it but compared to her quite large I took this to mean that they were around three quarter the distance the moon is from us

since it takes 1.3 seconds for light to travel from the moon to earth and she seemed to travel to them in about 1.5 to 2 seconds is how I come up with the three quarter light speed

Superman's best quantifiable speed feed is about 730 to 740 miles per second

this is based on the saving of Lois from the terrorists the time it took him to fly from metropolis to the middle east which is around about 8800 km (assuming Metropolis is the closest city onnthe west coast to the middle east) was about 12 seconds at least that's the time from and when Lois screamed to when he punched a hole through the roof of that compound

So Carol has the speed advantage in terms of flatline travel speed she does not however have comparable reaction feats as all her reactions have relativity involved ( that is a fighter pilot in a dog fight fighting against another supersonic fighter craft reacts to it the same way she reacted to the crew vessels etc and missiles)

Comparably  Clark while Motionless certainly perceived a superspeed moving Flash and dodged easily

She can probably maintain a fight with him from a distance without too much problem using that speed and spam him with energy blasts but I'm not convinced that they can do enough damage as of yet as I said this will probably all change once and game confirms exactly how far away she was when she received the message from Fury's pager and the time frame in which it took her to fly to Avengers compound


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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2019, 08:56:50 PM »
That's a pretty good quantification of speed.  Certainly, Carol has not displayed superspeed yet, only flight speed.

I think it's interesting to compare Clark saving the space shuttle in BvS and Carol stopping the warhead.  They were about the same size with Clark seemingly having an easier time picking the shuttle up.  However, Carol had the thrusters of the warhead to work against.  Still, I think it's save to say Clark is stronger and harder to hurt.  I'm not seeing Carol wearing him down.

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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2019, 09:35:21 PM »
Superman is only going to get more powerful in upcoming films and the vids on Youtube that fully nerd out his powers really put him in perspective. This version of Superman is a super speed peer of the Flash without getting into his other power and viciousness in a fight - versus Mary Sue glowy hands.

Cap Marvel gets a space cheese feat it's still just that, space cheese. When she has to buckle down and fight she's a less powerful brick by far with hand blasts and an EMP

Superman and Thor are the respective top dogs in their cinematic universes and after Shazam I think it's going to be even more part of the DCU DNA.

I think the infinity stones by themselves are getting nerfed a bit.

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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2019, 09:39:23 PM »
Superman is only going to get more powerful in upcoming films and the vids on Youtube that fully nerd out his powers really put him in perspective. This version of Superman is a super speed peer of the Flash without getting into his other power and viciousness in a fight - versus Mary Sue glowy hands.

Cap Marvel gets a space cheese feat it's still just that, space cheese. When she has to buckle down and fight she's a less powerful brick by far with hand blasts and an EMP

Superman and Thor are the respective top dogs in their cinematic universes and after Shazam I think it's going to be even more part of the DCU DNA.

I think the infinity stones by themselves are getting nerfed a bit.
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2019, 09:47:34 PM »
Just a thought

Behind-the-scenes reports have several marvel cast members irritated with Cap Marvel - and in truth, in all fairness. After 11 years of building up the MCU and having Scarlet Witch and Black Widow as strong lead characters, with Scarlet Johannsen clearly able to carry a solo flick - Feige waits for DC to get WW to cinemas and the result, people watch the movie for its tie-in to endgame and brand name recognition but WW gets much more love and is a far better flick

If Endgame is 11 years of building up the sacrifices of all these heroes, leading to the second half of what is the Empire Strikes Back of superhero flicks (ensemble cast at least) and Cap Marv mary sue's Thanos

It would go down so, so, so badly

At best, I see a fan service scene with Cap Marv jobbing Thor or Hulk. That alone should be infuriating. More likely her relation to the infinity stone gives Thanos an edge over her but she gets some cool feats.

And I, of course, think Superman would kick her ass.

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Re: MCU Captain Marvel vs DCCU Superman
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2019, 05:56:54 AM »
What space cheese feat are you referring to?

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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2019, 01:53:29 PM »
Behind-the-scenes reports have several marvel cast members irritated with Cap Marvel - and in truth, in all fairness.

Can you give a source on that?

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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2019, 02:50:03 PM »
Behind-the-scenes reports have several marvel cast members irritated with Cap Marvel - and in truth, in all fairness.

Can you give a source on that?

Filmgob is spreading that rumor.  Filmgob is also one of the guys who thinks Marvel stole ideas from DC for their movies and that Marvel pays critics to give good reviews.  He is an insane DC fan.

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2019, 05:18:02 PM »
Behind-the-scenes reports have several marvel cast members irritated with Cap Marvel - and in truth, in all fairness.

Can you give a source on that?

Filmgob is spreading that rumor.  Filmgob is also one of the guys who thinks Marvel stole ideas from DC for their movies and that Marvel pays critics to give good reviews.  He is an insane DC fan.

You cant pay everyone on the internet and there are a LOT of independant reviews out there.

Are we to believe that all the massive numbers of good reviews for the Doom Patrol show have been paid for??? No, because I have eyes and a sense of taste and I know for myself its that damn good (IMHO one of if not the outright best live action comic tv show to date- shits on everything CW and better than most if not all netflix)

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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2019, 08:43:18 PM »
seceonded

Some rumours are a little out there but not out of the realm of possibility:

Two edited versions of Avengers  - one with Carol being featured more prominently if the movie does well and another if the movie tanked

The movie is clearly going to sail past a billion but my overall feeling is that it's riding Avengers coattails as a prelude. if Avenger was a Dec release and Cap Marvel came out afterwards I'm not sure it would be greeted so enthusiastically

A lot of people want to see any Avengers before the big show, it's the prelim card

The character of Cap Marvel herself didn't get glowing reviews

Second fuel for the rumour mill:

Fiege has been very insistent on keeping Marvel actors in line and out of public outrages. James Gunn made billions for Marvel but as a Disney property, some tweets from 1o years ago got him ousted. Disney is a "family brand (if family is an overlord corporation that ons 60% of Hollywood and your soul)

So, all the main Avengers cast and actors waiting to step up and get their movie moments or spin-offs (Hawkeye, Widow, Scarlet Witch) have been on their best Hollywood no paparazzi behavior and Brie Larson shows up and starts making outlandish SJW comments left and right

I'd be pissed if I waited 11 years and then Cp SJW swooped in, said whatever the hell she wanted and was the standout in the final act of act 3

It's been around enough and it makes enough sense to have a kernel of truth. I'd be careful about degree, but there's still a pre and post press tour so let's see what happens.

As for the movie she's Captain Feminism - the SJW, I find her irritating

Superman just out physicals her and wins more often than not. If he brings his A-game, he wins big.

I have work to hand in though so I'll post more tomorrow.

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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2019, 09:37:51 PM »
So are we still discussing Superman vs Captain Marvel or discussing stupid rumors?

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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2019, 10:31:15 PM »
Behind-the-scenes reports have several marvel cast members irritated with Cap Marvel - and in truth, in all fairness.

Can you give a source on that?

Filmgob is spreading that rumor.  Filmgob is also one of the guys who thinks Marvel stole ideas from DC for their movies and that Marvel pays critics to give good reviews.  He is an insane DC fan.

You cant pay everyone on the internet and there are a LOT of independant reviews out there.

Are we to believe that all the massive numbers of good reviews for the Doom Patrol show have been paid for??? No, because I have eyes and a sense of taste and I know for myself its that damn good (IMHO one of if not the outright best live action comic tv show to date- shits on everything CW and better than most if not all netflix)
So there is a second source for the rumor?

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2019, 10:32:27 PM »
seceonded

Some rumours are a little out there but not out of the realm of possibility:

Two edited versions of Avengers  - one with Carol being featured more prominently if the movie does well and another if the movie tanked

The movie is clearly going to sail past a billion but my overall feeling is that it's riding Avengers coattails as a prelude. if Avenger was a Dec release and Cap Marvel came out afterwards I'm not sure it would be greeted so enthusiastically

A lot of people want to see any Avengers before the big show, it's the prelim card

The character of Cap Marvel herself didn't get glowing reviews

Second fuel for the rumour mill:

Fiege has been very insistent on keeping Marvel actors in line and out of public outrages. James Gunn made billions for Marvel but as a Disney property, some tweets from 1o years ago got him ousted. Disney is a "family brand (if family is an overlord corporation that ons 60% of Hollywood and your soul)

So, all the main Avengers cast and actors waiting to step up and get their movie moments or spin-offs (Hawkeye, Widow, Scarlet Witch) have been on their best Hollywood no paparazzi behavior and Brie Larson shows up and starts making outlandish SJW comments left and right

I'd be pissed if I waited 11 years and then Cp SJW swooped in, said whatever the hell she wanted and was the standout in the final act of act 3

It's been around enough and it makes enough sense to have a kernel of truth. I'd be careful about degree, but there's still a pre and post press tour so let's see what happens.

As for the movie she's Captain Feminism - the SJW, I find her irritating

Superman just out physicals her and wins more often than not. If he brings his A-game, he wins big.

I have work to hand in though so I'll post more tomorrow.

Will what you post tomorrow be more literally made up nonsense?

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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2019, 11:58:34 PM »
I think all this Cap Marv stuff Safado is bringing up is so we gloss over the fact he said Superman is just going to get more powerful with every movie when we don't even know if and when we will even get another Superman appearance.