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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2019, 04:26:05 AM »
There is 100% evidence that eating Jason's heart turns you into Jason.

If you're human.

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There is 0% evidence that bears are somehow immune to this.

Except for the whole "bears aren't human" thing.

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If anything, we err on the side of what has been shown, which is that it would likely effect bears.

Ehh, no. That's 100% subjective. You can either prove it can work on animals, or you can't. Objectively
speaking, because its never happened to animals, objectively speaking, you can't assume it would work.

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To argue otherwise is the whole "Well, we don't have any proof that Superman can be affected by Scarlet Witch, so I assume he can't" ordeal.

Not at all because a) Superman is weak to magic, that is fact, and b) her hex power has no specifics
that don't apply to Superman. Your example doesn't work.

Jason demonic possession is supernatural (duh) in nature, I don't think being an animal makes you immune to such. A Jason possessed kodiak bear is pretty scary to think about though.

Under most circumstances, albeit in real and in fiction, animals and humans have varying
degrees in their ability to perceive and how they interact with supernatural entities.

Is Jason's spirit can possess computers, then it can possess a bear.

He doesn't possess them, they literally rebuilt him. The scene itself is kinda silly because although
his body is mostly destroyed, the dude's come back from worse deaths. I mean in Jason Goes To
Hell, he was completely blown the fuck up.

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Jason X. After KM blows Jason to bits and the nanite machine starts up, it's due to Jason's spirit. If you look the computer screens are even trying to abort, but Jason's spirit is overriding them.

Incorrect. Jason died on the nanite medical machine that repairs damaged tissue. The machine started up and
scanned the damaged body, which under normal circumstances, would have aborted due to how extensive the
damage. However, it was damaged in the fight Jason had with KM-14, so instead of aborting, it malfunctioned
and rebuilt him using steel parts instead.

Nothing about that scene implies that Jason possessed anything. He's not that kind of undead entity.

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WORD OF GODDED by James Isaac and Todd Farmer that it's Jason taking them over to rebuild his body.

Unless you can cite that, James says absolutely nothing about Jason possessing machines.
http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/exclusive-interview-james-isaac/

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Now I know, you'll say it's not continuity

Why wouldn't it be? With the exception of the reboot, they all share a mostly cohesive continuity. I'd argue
that since there haven't been any other mainstream films since Jason X, he is technically "dead" by the end
of the film.

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but I won't hold that and your backwards 1860s "Bears can't be possessed" frame of mind against you. It's just how you were raised.

Oh Jack. I know what it’s like to lose. To feel so desperately that you’re right, yet to fail nonetheless. Dread it.
Run from it. Destiny still arrives. Or should I say, I have. To tell you that you are wrong.
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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2019, 06:57:44 AM »
Good post there. I'm thinking probably no to possessing a bear.

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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2019, 10:33:32 AM »

BRING. ME. RED EXODUS!









As the director , writer, and producer's film commentary on Jason X (chapter 20 in case you're interested) said,


"So what's bringing Jason back? There's two theories here. There's the theory that it's just a malfunction or there's the theory that it's the power of Jason."

"Welllll I'm not going to go there because I think that that's up to the audience BUT we play like it is Jason right now because the computer's say 'abort because there's not enough nanotech stuff--"

"That's why they say abort. That there's not enough flesh here---"

"Yeah and Jason's evil spirit overrides the situation and the nanobugs search the room, gather up all this cool stuff from the lab, and create THIS Uber Jason."



So let me explain....there is no time....let me sum up: they make the statement, that it's up for the audience to ultimately decide what they want (I.E. was it a dream in Total Recall?) but that the way they, the filmmakers, were going about it was that Jason Voorhees' evil spirit took control of the computers to rebuild his body as he wanted it.

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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2019, 11:16:53 AM »
That may be the case, Jack, but I believe you will find computers ALSO aren't Kodiak Bears.
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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2019, 11:23:11 AM »
That may be the case, Jack, but I believe you will find computers ALSO aren't Kodiak Bears.

I knew I should have taken the head!

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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2019, 01:36:37 PM »
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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2019, 04:51:48 PM »
You're ignoring a key thing here.

"Welllll I'm not going to go there because I think that that's up to the audience

If Jason possessing the machine was the definite answer, he'd have either made it blatantly
obvious, or just outright state what happened. Instead, he still is insisting on the audience's
interpretation.

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BUT we play like it

He's giving his own personal opinion. Even though yeah, its the director and writer, they still
are **NOT** stating that their version is the official version of what transpired.

Similar to how whether or not Deckard from Blade Runner is a Replicant. Director says one
thing, the actors and the majority of the viewers say otherwise.

Now normally one would chalk this up to agree to disagree, however.

So ultimately, this doesn't help your case.

Although Jason X is canon(?), it does contradict a lot of previously established shit. Such as
0 explanation for how Jason wasn't in Hell or how Jason was put back together when he was
blown the fuck up. Also, in no previous installment did he have the ability to possess anything
other than people.

I'd argue more that the scene supports the computer fucking up more because there are
literally 0 ques, clues, or even hints that Jason is the one fucking with the machine.

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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2019, 05:12:30 PM »
Please don't go flat earther.

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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2019, 09:36:32 AM »
You could literally find a movie where Jason possesses a Grizzly Bear, and Red would say "Well that doesn't prove he can possess a KODIAK BEAR, much less the two specific Kodiak Bears in question".
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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2019, 02:58:09 PM »
Yeah he's being a real fucking idiot about this whole thing.

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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2019, 04:11:36 PM »
Under most circumstances, albeit in real and in fiction, animals and humans have varying
degrees in their ability to perceive and how they interact with supernatural entities.

What do you mean by real life, do you mean real life myths? If so...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonic_possession

Various cultures have spirits being capable of possessing inanimate objects or animals, same deal with fiction so what's the issue here?

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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2019, 05:00:00 PM »
I prefer to focus on the positives here, like that gif of Crispin Glover.


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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2019, 07:56:06 PM »
You could literally find a movie where Jason possesses a Grizzly Bear, and Red would say "Well that doesn't prove he can possess a KODIAK BEAR, much less the two specific Kodiak Bears in question".

Oh look, an idiot who's upset because the example he tried (and failed) to provide fell completely
on his face. Poor baby.

Yeah he's being a real fucking idiot about this whole thing.

Much like what Bane once said, "speak of the devil, and he shall appear."

In this case, "Say something he disagrees with, and Oats will talk out of his ass and look like
a complete retard. Cause he's not capable of intelligent rebuttal."

Oats, go back in your corner, I've already humiliated you once before. Don't try and get me
arrested for the beat down you took again.
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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2019, 07:59:30 PM »
What do you mean by real life, do you mean real life myths?

Both.

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Various cultures have spirits being capable of possessing inanimate objects or animals, same deal with fiction so what's the issue here?

Sure, and it all depends. Jason isn't the kind of supernatural entity that possesses anything that "consumes" him.
He did it once, so sure, he can possess humans provided they eat his heart. Animals are a different matter, since
he's never shown to be capable of doing that.

And technology is another issue as well, since again, he's never shown it, and per the director's words, has left it
up to the audience to decide, even though the scene in question does not support the idea of Jason possessing the
machine.

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Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2019, 08:05:30 PM »
refer to plot.


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