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The Punisher Season 2 Episodes 10-13
« on: January 19, 2019, 06:25:04 PM »
Discuss the last few episodes of Season 2 here

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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2019, 07:01:17 PM »
Overall little disappointed with this season. The two storylines did not mesh well and after a very strong start it felt a little flat

The action scenes were awesome. They really stepped it up

Jigsaws “face” should have been more mangled. People were making him seem like a hideous monster but wasn’t THAT bad. His “end” was a little weak but probably was the point

We finally see castle go to war on crime. Huzzah. But probably the last time we’re going to see this Pinisher which is a shame.

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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2019, 04:12:45 PM »
Yeah basically exactly that.

Pretty disappointed, nowhere near season 1 level and a million miles from peak Daredevil quality. Fight scenes were good but I never felt that engaged with either storyline. Acting was good but I didn't like the characterisation of most of them, especially Frank.

We've had 2 seasons of him umm'ing and ahh'ing about embracing the Punisher gig, did we really need a third one? Would have been nice to get more than 10 seconds of him in full Punisher mode knowing we won't be getting another series.

Looking back he got progressively less and less Punisher-y with each new series. DD2 he was waging a concerted, military precision war on organised crime groups, and killing individual criminals as the opportunities arose (the guy offering him underage porn). At the end he turned his back on Karen (representing his humanity), painted the skull and seemed ready to go to war. Punisher S1 undid most of that and really in the two solo series the only guys he went after were purely personal crusades, people that he was connected to or came after him. Seemed like a fairly illogical leap to go from that to the final scene with him targeting unrelated crime groups (though it would have fit the end of DD2).

I liked Bernthal's portrayal of an early Frank Castle, the action scenes were brutal and great, but reflecting back on the three series as a whole this feels like a missed opportunity.


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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2019, 04:15:49 PM »
Also why the fuck are they so reluctant to let him wear the skull? They let DD run around in full devil suit for a whole season+, Frank painted his skull (which is iconic as most any superhero look) two seasons ago and has probably worn it for a total of about 20 minutes screen time since.


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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2019, 05:30:30 PM »
I watched episode 10.  It was a nice, gut-wrenching episode that held together over the theme of falling from grace, so at least the two main storylines intersected in that way.  John taking down the Nazis was satisfyingly brutal.  I liked how it kept cutting back and forth between him dressing his wounds and showing how he got the wounds during the fight.  While I liked Jigsaw and his doctor's setup for Castle, I felt like he wasn't thinking things through very well.  It seems like he would be better prepared for a trap.

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2019, 06:34:28 PM »
The damage soak and healing factor these folks have is pretty amazing!

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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2019, 06:36:48 PM »
I just finished episode 11.  I'm kinda bored with Marvel Netflix doing the "hero is injured so he/she has to sit out for an episode" thing.  It was a bit sad to see Karen and hear her talk about Matt and Foggy since this is probably the last time we'll ever get anything concerning them.

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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2019, 07:59:41 PM »
I saw episode 12.  One would think Madani would have an easier time of dealing with Krista than that.  I guess that counts as a hallway fight?  Also, I'm guessing the showdown between Frnak and John Pilgrim will just be two badly injured men rolling around on the ground considering all they've been through in the past few episodes.

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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2019, 08:57:47 PM »
All finished.  I liked how Jigsaw was dealt with at the end, although it kind of has as the same problem all the other recent Netflix Marvel seasons have had which have annoyed me(Jessica Jones 2, Luke Cage 2, Iron Fist 2, and Daredevil 3).  It was John Pilgrim's end that disappointed me as I thought he needed more punishment.  All in all, it was enjoyable.  It's sort of like Daredevil season 2 in that the action scenes were better and there were some badass moments but the story wasn't as strong as the first season.  Also, I miss Micro.  I honestly thought he was supposed to have a small role in this season.

As for Frank not wearing the Skull, that's typical.  I mean, poor Danny Rand never wore his costume, Bullseye was never Bullseye, they barely said the name "Kingpin", Typhoid Mary was just a chick named Mary who wore a hoodie, etc.

Anyway, I'd hate for this to be the last season, but at least there was closure.
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2019, 04:16:36 PM »
Did they ever give a reason why frank hesitated killing Russo earlier in the season?

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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2019, 04:21:50 PM »
Did they ever give a reason why frank hesitated killing Russo earlier in the season?

I think there was still some sentimentality there, but the show also hinted at Frank wanting to continue fighting a war.  I wonder if he somehow felt killing Russo would end his war and he subconsciously wanted an excuse to keep going.

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2019, 12:21:56 AM »
Yeah basically exactly that.

Pretty disappointed, nowhere near season 1 level and a million miles from peak Daredevil quality. Fight scenes were good but I never felt that engaged with either storyline. Acting was good but I didn't like the characterisation of most of them, especially Frank.

We've had 2 seasons of him umm'ing and ahh'ing about embracing the Punisher gig, did we really need a third one? Would have been nice to get more than 10 seconds of him in full Punisher mode knowing we won't be getting another series.

Looking back he got progressively less and less Punisher-y with each new series. DD2 he was waging a concerted, military precision war on organised crime groups, and killing individual criminals as the opportunities arose (the guy offering him underage porn). At the end he turned his back on Karen (representing his humanity), painted the skull and seemed ready to go to war. Punisher S1 undid most of that and really in the two solo series the only guys he went after were purely personal crusades, people that he was connected to or came after him. Seemed like a fairly illogical leap to go from that to the final scene with him targeting unrelated crime groups (though it would have fit the end of DD2).

I liked Bernthal's portrayal of an early Frank Castle, the action scenes were brutal and great, but reflecting back on the three series as a whole this feels like a missed opportunity.


Cheers.

This is pretty much how I feel. I think Berenthal is the best Punisher so far, but it feels like it wan't full Punisher. His DD appearance was much more on par with that. And when it comes to taking out criminals, you're right. Everyone he went against was already coming after him. Russo's men had more of a war on crime then he did at that point.

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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2019, 10:11:43 PM »
I absolutely loved this season. My 4th Marvel Netflix A+, to go with DD1, JJ1, and DD3.
https://gotstratosphere.com/2019/03/26/show-3-26-18-hulks-planet/ (Review of Planet Hulk! And a discussion on who would be the DC Illuminati?)


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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2019, 05:37:57 AM »
It was John Pilgrim's end that disappointed me as I thought he needed more punishment.


I actually hoped this was the ending Pilgrim would get.

There was a point when when we, the viewer, realised he was getting played then by the time Pilgrim realised himself, he was beyond redemption. His wife dead, his kids became collateral & it was a "Martha Moment" between Frank & John.


As for Frank not wearing the Skull, that's typical.  I mean, poor Danny Rand never wore his costume, Bullseye was never Bullseye, they barely said the name "Kingpin", Typhoid Mary was just a chick named Mary who wore a hoodie, etc.


That's the thing though...why not give the fans what they want?
I'm honestly curious what the reasoning was, not to go full costume (especially Frank) when it came to the directors, writers, producers etc deliberating the subject?

The Russian gym fight & those bounty hunter vets confronting Frank would've have more impact if Frank was wearing his Skull vest. 

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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2019, 07:59:40 AM »
That's the thing though...why not give the fans what they want?
I'm honestly curious what the reasoning was, not to go full costume (especially Frank) when it came to the directors, writers, producers etc deliberating the subject?

I'm not defending the decision.  I'm just pointing out that Netflix Marvel has a thing about costumes.  I guess it has to do with realism but it's not like Frank has a silly mask or anything.  He just has a skull.