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How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2019, 08:55:12 PM »
How does Galactus handle really fast guys typically? Or is it assumed that he is displaying speed accuracy when hitting guys like Surfer?

The thing with guys like Surfer is, yes I agree, he is super fast when transporting himself from one location to another. But in battle? Agility? Reflexes? Nothing really showed anything of Superman's speed.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2019, 09:51:13 PM »
You're in a thread which says how weakened Galactus should be that he is beaten by Superman and you're talking about Galactus being weakened now?

You were legit acting as if it were a common event for top-tier characters to just hurt Galactus out of the blue.

I already stated that Superman could beat a weakened Galactus.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2019, 12:10:50 AM »
There is also the time when Galactus was weakened by two colliding planets (Superman survived two colliding planets under the same writer Starlin) that Fallen One would've killed him.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thanos/Issue-11?id=55137

Galactus is weakened by Hunger (the entity).  And since Fallen One actually does reach Galactus and fails to kill him (Galactus manhandles him), it is clear that Fallen One would not have killed him.
Thanos explicitly shows the planets colliding as the reason he was weakened.

Also Thanos saved Galactus, who was ready to die.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thanos/Issue-12?id=55140

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2019, 12:12:04 AM »
You're in a thread which says how weakened Galactus should be that he is beaten by Superman and you're talking about Galactus being weakened now?

You were legit acting as if it were a common event for top-tier characters to just hurt Galactus out of the blue.


Eh, it's common for top tier characters to hurt Galactus. Not beat him but hurt? Sure.
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I already stated that Superman could beat a weakened Galactus.
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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2019, 12:12:53 AM »
How does Galactus handle really fast guys typically? Or is it assumed that he is displaying speed accuracy when hitting guys like Surfer?

The thing with guys like Surfer is, yes I agree, he is super fast when transporting himself from one location to another. But in battle? Agility? Reflexes? Nothing really showed anything of Superman's speed.
At that level of power, speed is pretty much meaningless unless its a high end showing for a speedster.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2019, 12:55:44 AM »
..and that retcon was retconned back to the original canonical interpretation by Defalco and Busiek/Larsen.

Thor beat Galactus. Period.

Then we go back to it being a fluke.

Unless we start counting, say, the time Darkseid got a bloody lip from a kick by Batman.

No, its the canonical foundation of these chaacters relative power portrayal by their creators.

Galactus is a character capable of being defeated by high end top tiers, from his inception. Period.


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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2019, 02:14:37 PM »
There is also the time when Galactus was weakened by two colliding planets (Superman survived two colliding planets under the same writer Starlin) that Fallen One would've killed him.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thanos/Issue-11?id=55137

Galactus is weakened by Hunger (the entity).  And since Fallen One actually does reach Galactus and fails to kill him (Galactus manhandles him), it is clear that Fallen One would not have killed him.
Thanos explicitly shows the planets colliding as the reason he was weakened.

Also Thanos saved Galactus, who was ready to die.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thanos/Issue-12?id=55140

Where does Thanos show this?  It's specifically stated that Hunger is absorbing his power.  The planet collision is the icing on the cake.

That scene shows Galactus delivering Fallen One to Thanos.  That's a successful BFR.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2019, 02:18:44 PM »
No, its the canonical foundation of these chaacters relative power portrayal by their creators.

Galactus is a character capable of being defeated by high end top tiers, from his inception. Period.

Give me every example you know of a fully-powered Galactus being defeated by a top-tier.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2019, 02:21:39 PM »
..and that retcon was retconned back to the original canonical interpretation by Defalco and Busiek/Larsen.

Thor beat Galactus. Period.

Then we go back to it being a fluke.

Unless we start counting, say, the time Darkseid got a bloody lip from a kick by Batman.

No, its the canonical foundation of these chaacters relative power portrayal by their creators.

Galactus is a character capable of being defeated by high end top tiers, from his inception. Period.

https://twitter.com/therealstanlee/status/512437038558113792?lang=en

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2019, 02:28:30 PM »
like ap said Give  every example of a fully-powered Galactus being defeated by a top-tier.


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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2019, 02:42:59 PM »
like ap said Give  every example of a fully-powered Galactus being defeated by a top-tier.

Based on his creators, Stan and Jack, Wonderman's fist is equal to Mjolnir.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2019, 02:46:23 PM »
like ap said Give  every example of a fully-powered Galactus being defeated by a top-tier.

Based on his creators, Stan and Jack, Wonderman's fist is equal to Mjolnir.

Also, going by Superman's creators, he can't fly.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2019, 09:51:34 PM »
Hilarious desperate deflection as usual. Kudos to your utter dishonesty.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2019, 10:24:51 PM »
Hilarious desperate deflection as usual. Kudos to your utter dishonesty.

So... about those examples.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2019, 10:26:25 PM »
Hilarious desperate deflection as usual. Kudos to your utter dishonesty.

What's the significant difference here?  The canonical foundations of a character's abilities don't matter and can be dismissed, but canonical foundations of their relative power cannot? Why?  I get that they are different things, but they're both based on the idea that the creators established portrayals are paramount. 

Maybe you're right and it's a strawman, I'm willing to hear you out.