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How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2019, 12:59:00 AM »
I was wondering when one of them would show up.

So Marvel fanboys think Thor should be far above Superman. Big surprise.

They don't.  They consider Thor beating Galactus a fluke and later writers retconned it anyway iirc.
It wasn't retconned. It's later stated in even 2001.



It's from Fantastic Four World's greatest magazine 11 if you are wondering.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2019, 06:26:30 AM »
I was wondering when one of them would show up.

So Marvel fanboys think Thor should be far above Superman. Big surprise.

They don't.  They consider Thor beating Galactus a fluke and later writers retconned it anyway iirc.

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby what irrelevant fanboys shitting on Galactus, eh?

If you're asking if powerlevels have changed since the early 60's, then yes, powerlevels have changed since the early 60's.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2019, 06:58:28 AM »
I was wondering when one of them would show up.

So Marvel fanboys think Thor should be far above Superman. Big surprise.

They don't.  They consider Thor beating Galactus a fluke and later writers retconned it anyway iirc.
It wasn't retconned. It's later stated in even 2001.

It's from Fantastic Four World's greatest magazine 11 if you are wondering.

That story was initially meant to be published in the 70's.  It just wasn't released until 2001.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2019, 07:09:26 AM »
I was wondering when one of them would show up.

So Marvel fanboys think Thor should be far above Superman. Big surprise.

They don't.  They consider Thor beating Galactus a fluke and later writers retconned it anyway iirc.
It wasn't retconned. It's later stated in even 2001.

It's from Fantastic Four World's greatest magazine 11 if you are wondering.

That story was initially meant to be published in the 70's.  It just wasn't released until 2001.
Source? It was released as 50 years celebration of FF.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2019, 08:40:48 AM »
That story was initially meant to be published in the 70's.  It just wasn't released until 2001.
Source?
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Considering Jack Kirby was the artist, that should give you a hint unless we're talking about a different set of issues.

Either way, it's set in an earlier timeline before the reveal.  Keep in mind, Thor has faced Galactus since issue 161 and was always shown to be far less powerful.  Are we meant to judge Superman based on early Action Comics issues too where he couldn't even fly?
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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2019, 12:37:45 PM »
I was wondering when one of them would show up.

So Marvel fanboys think Thor should be far above Superman. Big surprise.

They don't.  They consider Thor beating Galactus a fluke and later writers retconned it anyway iirc.

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby what irrelevant fanboys shitting on Galactus, eh?

If you're asking if powerlevels have changed since the early 60's, then yes, powerlevels have changed since the early 60's.

In some portrayals yes. Galactus is back to being presented as a peer to Skyfathers in many portrayals as well as the above scans conclusively prove.

Fact is, Superman has beaten and outperformed  Galactus level beings. Period. What your bias is willing to accept is meaningless.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2019, 01:12:27 PM »
That story was initially meant to be published in the 70's.  It just wasn't released until 2001.
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Considering Jack Kirby was the artist, that should give you a hint unless we're talking about a different set of issues.


I'm sorry but what? I'm talking about this issue and the art is only mimicking Kirby.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Fantastic-Four-World-s-Greatest-Comics-Magazine/Issue-11?id=140168

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Either way, it's set in an earlier timeline before the reveal.  Keep in mind, Thor has faced Galactus since issue 161 and was always shown to be far less powerful.  Are we meant to judge Superman based on early Action Comics issues too where he couldn't even fly?
That may be. But Thor 161 still happened and its not like Galactus is some unbeatable being by top tier forces. In fact a dozen dire wraith queens defeated Galactus when one was defeated by Rom the space knight (mid tier, outclassed by Terrax).

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/ROM-1979/Issue-27?id=53169

Even Guardian (Alpha Flight) koed Galactus with a blast (In fairness Galactus power wasn't working correctly in an alien dimension).

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Alpha-Flight-1983/Issue-100?id=33970

So its not like one time fluke by Thor.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2019, 01:49:05 PM »
I'm sorry but what? I'm talking about this issue and the art is only mimicking Kirby.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Fantastic-Four-World-s-Greatest-Comics-Magazine/Issue-11?id=140168


Okay, I was thinking of an unrelated comic, then.

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That may be. But Thor 161 still happened and its not like Galactus is some unbeatable being by top tier forces. In fact a dozen dire wraith queens defeated Galactus when one was defeated by Rom the space knight (mid tier, outclassed by Terrax).

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/ROM-1979/Issue-27?id=53169

Even Guardian (Alpha Flight) koed Galactus with a blast (In fairness Galactus power wasn't working correctly in an alien dimension).

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Alpha-Flight-1983/Issue-100?id=33970

So its not like one time fluke by Thor.

In both those issues, we have Galactus in an entirely different state.  In the rom issue, the planet he is on feeds off him just as he feeds off it, which weakens him.  In the second, his power is outright nulled by being in that dimension.

So yes, the Thor feat is still a fluke... and one that was later retconned with an explanation that Odin was helping him out.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2019, 02:32:03 PM »
..and that retcon was retconned back to the original canonical interpretation by Defalco and Busiek/Larsen.

Thor beat Galactus. Period.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2019, 03:17:10 PM »
..and that retcon was retconned back to the original canonical interpretation by Defalco and Busiek/Larsen.

Thor beat Galactus. Period.

Then we go back to it being a fluke.

Unless we start counting, say, the time Darkseid got a bloody lip from a kick by Batman.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2019, 04:29:01 PM »
So the feats abhilegend posts to lowball he tells us what actually happened. Yeah nice save abhi I bet you can’t post galan consistently losing to top tiers with context can you heh? It’s alright at least he doesn’t job as bad as spectre

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2019, 11:11:49 PM »
I'm sorry but what? I'm talking about this issue and the art is only mimicking Kirby.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Fantastic-Four-World-s-Greatest-Comics-Magazine/Issue-11?id=140168


Okay, I was thinking of an unrelated comic, then.


Which comic?
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That may be. But Thor 161 still happened and its not like Galactus is some unbeatable being by top tier forces. In fact a dozen dire wraith queens defeated Galactus when one was defeated by Rom the space knight (mid tier, outclassed by Terrax).

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/ROM-1979/Issue-27?id=53169

Even Guardian (Alpha Flight) koed Galactus with a blast (In fairness Galactus power wasn't working correctly in an alien dimension).

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Alpha-Flight-1983/Issue-100?id=33970

So its not like one time fluke by Thor.

In both those issues, we have Galactus in an entirely different state.  In the rom issue, the planet he is on feeds off him just as he feeds off it, which weakens him.  In the second, his power is outright nulled by being in that dimension.


You're in a thread which says how weakened Galactus should be that he is beaten by Superman and you're talking about Galactus being weakened now?

And his power wasn't nullified, it wasn't working properly.

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So yes, the Thor feat is still a fluke... and one that was later retconned with an explanation that Odin was helping him out.
That was in Thor annual 14 by Bill Sanderson (Handbook guy who had Thor defeat anyone like Ego with the help of Odin without no proof whatsoever) where Thor was addressing readers directly.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-1966/Annual-14?id=61435

Defalco immediately re-retconned it in Thor 411 where Thor stated that godblast itself had defeated Galactus.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-1966/Issue-412?id=8115

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2019, 11:13:40 PM »
..and that retcon was retconned back to the original canonical interpretation by Defalco and Busiek/Larsen.

Thor beat Galactus. Period.

Then we go back to it being a fluke.

Unless we start counting, say, the time Darkseid got a bloody lip from a kick by Batman.
Batman was powered up by a mother box.

And its not like Batman hasn't done even more stupid things.

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2019, 11:19:12 PM »
There is also the time when Galactus was weakened by two colliding planets (Superman survived two colliding planets under the same writer Starlin) that Fallen One would've killed him.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thanos/Issue-11?id=55137

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Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2019, 05:18:39 PM »
There is also the time when Galactus was weakened by two colliding planets (Superman survived two colliding planets under the same writer Starlin) that Fallen One would've killed him.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thanos/Issue-11?id=55137

Galactus is weakened by Hunger (the entity).  And since Fallen One actually does reach Galactus and fails to kill him (Galactus manhandles him), it is clear that Fallen One would not have killed him.