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So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2018, 01:20:00 PM »
The number of people in this thread who don't know DNA inheritance is random is blowing my mind.

You don't get a 25% disbursement of Grandma and Grandpa's actual DNA. You don't even get 50% from each parent. You could get more or less from either one. She could have a full blooded Cherokee grandparent on one side and still wind up looking like an old white woman if she inherited more from the other side of her family.

As to the thread, her publicized results were a stupid idea. Trump changes the goal posts within the same conversation, let alone months later.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2018, 01:30:57 PM »
Well to be fair she wasn't the one pushing it that much. She wasn't the one making a bet. It only comes up when she attack by it. It not like she stating the idea she cherokee in commericals.  She mostly talk about policy. She just said she had some anchestory. Nor Do I think she ever said she a full cherokee or tried to get her own casino..or any of the benifits. The idea that if she simply stop talking about..that Trump or the republicans would let it go...I dont think would of happen

No one here thinks she started it.  The issue is that she gave in to Trump's shenanigans and now people think she made claims that she never made.  The DNA test was a mistake because it plays into their hands.

yea but they were accusing of making claims she didn't make anyway before the dna

people act like she tried to get a casino

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2018, 01:52:07 PM »
yea but they were accusing of making claims she didn't make anyway before the dna

She claimed to have had Native roots.  The conservatives just twisted her words.  If she shut up about it, people would continue ignoring them.  Taking a DNA test resulted in the Streisand Effect.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2018, 02:05:24 PM »
yea but they were accusing of making claims she didn't make anyway before the dna

She claimed to have had Native roots.  The conservatives just twisted her words.  If she shut up about it, people would continue ignoring them.  Taking a DNA test resulted in the Streisand Effect.

Obama ignore the birther thing for most his time in office that never stop

and she does have native roots. the stiesend effect is where your trying ro hide or remove info. that not the same here

they were making claim she somehow got into college in this. that goes beyond word twisting that just making shit up

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2018, 02:22:08 PM »
Obama ignore the birther thing for most his time in office that never stop

I never said it would stop.

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and she does have native roots

No more or less than most white people in the US.  That's why no one gives a shit.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2018, 02:22:13 PM »
Obama ignore the birther thing for most his time in office that never stop

And by not dignifying it, he also didn't make himself look foolish, as she does now. He played it smart and ignored the stupidity. The most he did was make fun of the absurdity of it all but he never legitimized it. That's the point.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2018, 03:22:19 PM »
Well to be fair she wasn't the one pushing it that much. She wasn't the one making a bet. It only comes up when she attack by it. It not like she stating the idea she cherokee in commericals.  She mostly talk about policy. She just said she had some anchestory. Nor Do I think she ever said she a full cherokee or tried to get her own casino..or any of the benifits. The idea that if she simply stop talking about..that Trump or the republicans would let it go...I dont think would of happen

No one here thinks she started it.  The issue is that she gave in to Trump's shenanigans and now people think she made claims that she never made.  The DNA test was a mistake because it plays into their hands.

While Trump and the right have certainly escalated the issue, Warren has actually made the claim. according to snopes she admitted to identifying herself as a minority in an acedemic directory for around a decade. she also called herself Cherokee in a cookbook.

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/10/16/elizabeth-warrens-dna-claim-inflames-native-americans/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/01/facts-behind-elizabeth-warren-and-her-native-ameri/


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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2018, 04:23:55 PM »
Obama ignore the birther thing for most his time in office that never stop

I never said it would stop.

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and she does have native roots

No more or less than most white people in the US.  That's why no one gives a shit.

Actually.. explicitly LESS native ancestry than the average white American.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2018, 05:19:53 PM »
Can you provide proof of the assertion?

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2018, 11:16:06 PM »
It was probably passed down knowledge. I've always been told I'm part Japanese becausemy great grandfather on my mom's side was japenese. But technically I don't know this for sure since I've never met my grandfather let alone great grandfather.

There are stories like this on my dad's side too. Like how my ancestor altered his last name to sound less Irish and more Scottish to marry a Scottish woman.

It basically becomes an argument over which is more important, being genetically part of group or being culturally part of a group. This is actually plays into what the Cherokee Nation said about the situation. They really didn't denounce her. They basically said genetics isn't the main factor in being part of the Cherokee Nation. It's more about being part of the culture. They don't want people taking DNA test just to weasel there way into the nation and the benefits they get from it.

Warren has a quaint little family story about having native American ancestry similar to mine about being part Japanese. She might have told it a few too many times but I dont think shes been trying to manipulate anyone with it.

Well, it definitely happens with the name changes.  Especially, in early American history.  Latinos/Hispanic/Cubano have often changed their names.  Trump's grandfather changed their named from Drumpf to Trump. 
    Hell, I just found out that Rafael was Ted Cruz's first name. 

  And yea.  From what I've seen and heard she definitely wasn't trying to take part of any Cherokee culture.
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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2018, 06:23:28 PM »
Obama ignore the birther thing for most his time in office that never stop

I never said it would stop.

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and she does have native roots

No more or less than most white people in the US.  That's why no one gives a shit.

Actually.. explicitly LESS native ancestry than the average white American.
Your assertion is actually explicitly false. She has explicitly LESS Native DNA than the average white American at her lowest possible percentage. Ancestry and DNA inheritance rates are explicitly not the same thing. Explicitly.