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So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2018, 11:24:55 PM »
Didn't she also say that her dad's family never accepted her mother because she was an Indian? Did anyone run this down, or is she fucking her dad's family over?


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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2018, 11:28:42 PM »
IIRC, She said that her parent's had to elope because her father's parents(Her grandparents) refused to allow him to marry someone that was part Cherokee.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2018, 11:30:49 PM »
Yeah, that 1/256th Cherokee was a real deal breaker back in the day.


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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2018, 11:54:09 PM »
In order for her grandparents to object, they'd have to know about her mother's supposed ancestry. so my question is. how did they know about it?

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2018, 12:21:20 AM »
It was probably passed down knowledge. I've always been told I'm part Japanese becausemy great grandfather on my mom's side was japenese. But technically I don't know this for sure since I've never met my grandfather let alone great grandfather.

There are stories like this on my dad's side too. Like how my ancestor altered his last name to sound less Irish and more Scottish to marry a Scottish woman.

It basically becomes an argument over which is more important, being genetically part of group or being culturally part of a group. This is actually plays into what the Cherokee Nation said about the situation. They really didn't denounce her. They basically said genetics isn't the main factor in being part of the Cherokee Nation. It's more about being part of the culture. They don't want people taking DNA test just to weasel there way into the nation and the benefits they get from it.

Warren has a quaint little family story about having native American ancestry similar to mine about being part Japanese. She might have told it a few too many times but I dont think shes been trying to manipulate anyone with it.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2018, 12:36:19 AM »
It being a family story on her mother's side doesn't explain how her father's parents supposedly learned of it in order to object to the idea of marriage.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2018, 12:54:08 AM »
At some point someone told them? It's not that deep of a plothole for a person to fill in.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2018, 01:42:48 AM »
That is the point I'm working towards, Elizabeth's family were obviously proud enough of their supposed heritage to make a big deal out of it. kind of like how Elizabeth Warren does now.

I doubt that level of pride was due to them thinking they were only 1/256th Indian.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2018, 06:55:04 AM »
Yeah, it does seem that Warren's family insisted upon it a bit much if the dad's family got bent out of shape over it, especially since the dad's side was just as likely to have some Native roots.  I would never call Warren or her family Native, culturally or genetically.  As I said, I have Native ancestry but unless I tell people, no one would know or care.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2018, 08:06:48 AM »
Maybe the dad’s family objected to the marriage because they didn’t want their son marrying a crazy white woman who went around driving everyone crazy by insisting she was a Cherokee.


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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2018, 10:03:25 AM »
That is the point I'm working towards, Elizabeth's family were obviously proud enough of their supposed heritage to make a big deal out of it. kind of like how Elizabeth Warren does now.

I doubt that level of pride was due to them thinking they were only 1/256th Indian.

I'm sure she thought or hoped she had more NA in her DNA in her lineage. Hell for all she knows that's not why her dad's family objected. Just the story her parents told her.

But like I said her telling the stories she heard growing up doesnt mean she was trying to be deceptive even if they aren't true.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2018, 10:53:25 AM »
It was probably passed down knowledge. I've always been told I'm part Japanese becausemy great grandfather on my mom's side was japenese. But technically I don't know this for sure since I've never met my grandfather let alone great grandfather.

There are stories like this on my dad's side too. Like how my ancestor altered his last name to sound less Irish and more Scottish to marry a Scottish woman.

It basically becomes an argument over which is more important, being genetically part of group or being culturally part of a group. This is actually plays into what the Cherokee Nation said about the situation. They really didn't denounce her. They basically said genetics isn't the main factor in being part of the Cherokee Nation. It's more about being part of the culture. They don't want people taking DNA test just to weasel there way into the nation and the benefits they get from it.

Warren has a quaint little family story about having native American ancestry similar to mine about being part Japanese. She might have told it a few too many times but I dont think shes been trying to manipulate anyone with it.

You’re not quite right about the Cherokee Nation. While they don’t have a strict blood quantum (some tribes require at least 25%), they do require you to show ancestry recognized from a list of registered Cherokees compiled around 1900. Per Wikipedia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws

“Meanwhile, the Cherokee Nation requires applicants to descend from an ancestor in the 1906 Dawes roll (direct lineal ancestry), but does not impose minimum blood quantum requirement. The United Keetoowah Band requires a minimum 1/4 blood quantum.”

That’s not really about culture. It’s about descent, albeit descent from an incomplete and less than fully accurate list.

Basically, Elizabeth Warren is clearly not Cherokee in any normally understood sense. But that isn’t relevant at all.  She should’ve just said she believed her family tale but it turned out to be wrong. She has some serious ideas on banking and consumer regulation. She should’ve stuck to her ideas instead of making a fool out of herself on this irrelevant identity issue.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2018, 12:25:54 PM »
Well to be fair she wasn't the one pushing it that much. She wasn't the one making a bet. It only comes up when she attack by it. It not like she stating the idea she cherokee in commericals.  She mostly talk about policy. She just said she had some anchestory. Nor Do I think she ever said she a full cherokee or tried to get her own casino..or any of the benifits. The idea that if she simply stop talking about..that Trump or the republicans would let it go...I dont think would of happen


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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2018, 12:56:09 PM »
Well to be fair she wasn't the one pushing it that much. She wasn't the one making a bet. It only comes up when she attack by it. It not like she stating the idea she cherokee in commericals.  She mostly talk about policy. She just said she had some anchestory. Nor Do I think she ever said she a full cherokee or tried to get her own casino..or any of the benifits. The idea that if she simply stop talking about..that Trump or the republicans would let it go...I dont think would of happen

No one here thinks she started it.  The issue is that she gave in to Trump's shenanigans and now people think she made claims that she never made.  The DNA test was a mistake because it plays into their hands.

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Re: So let's talk about Elizabeth Warren's DNA test.
« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2018, 01:06:15 PM »
That I can agree with. Trump was never going to be fair about it. She should have never played his game. Seems like she got blinded by defending a family story that was important to her.