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« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2018, 10:57:04 AM »
You are right in that it was dumb.  This is why so many people are leaving the party.

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Re: Biden as the Dem nominee
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2018, 07:42:21 PM »
https://observer.com/2017/05/dnc-lawsuit-presidential-primaries-bernie-sanders-supporters/

DNC Lawyers Argue DNC Has Right to Pick Candidates in Back Rooms

Attorneys claim the words 'impartial' and 'evenhanded'—as used in the DNC Charter—can't be interpreted by a court of law

The attorneys representing the DNC have previously argued that Sanders supporters knew the primaries were rigged, therefore annulling any potential accountability the DNC may have. In the latest hearing, they doubled down on this argument: “The Court would have to find that people who fervently supported Bernie Sanders and who purportedly didn’t know that this favoritism was going on would have not given to Mr. Sanders, to Senator Sanders, if they had known that there was this purported favoritism.”

Later in the hearing, attorneys representing the DNC claim that the Democratic National Committee would be well within their rights to “go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way.” By pushing the argument throughout the proceedings of this class action lawsuit, the Democratic National Committee is telling voters in a court of law that they see no enforceable obligation in having to run a fair and impartial primary election.

In fairness, the Dems aren't alone in this attitude

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/16/we-choose-the-nominee-not-the-voters-senior-gop-official.html

Political parties, not voters, choose their presidential nominees, a Republican convention rules member told CNBC, a day after GOP front-runner Donald Trump rolled up more big primary victories.

"The media has created the perception that the voters choose the nomination. That's the conflict here," Curly Haugland, an unbound GOP delegate from North Dakota, told CNBC's "Squawk Box" on Wednesday. He even questioned why primaries and caucuses are held.
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Re: Biden as the Dem nominee
« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2018, 09:30:20 PM »
https://observer.com/2017/05/dnc-lawsuit-presidential-primaries-bernie-sanders-supporters/

DNC Lawyers Argue DNC Has Right to Pick Candidates in Back Rooms

Attorneys claim the words 'impartial' and 'evenhanded'—as used in the DNC Charter—can't be interpreted by a court of law

The attorneys representing the DNC have previously argued that Sanders supporters knew the primaries were rigged, therefore annulling any potential accountability the DNC may have. In the latest hearing, they doubled down on this argument: “The Court would have to find that people who fervently supported Bernie Sanders and who purportedly didn’t know that this favoritism was going on would have not given to Mr. Sanders, to Senator Sanders, if they had known that there was this purported favoritism.”

Later in the hearing, attorneys representing the DNC claim that the Democratic National Committee would be well within their rights to “go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way.” By pushing the argument throughout the proceedings of this class action lawsuit, the Democratic National Committee is telling voters in a court of law that they see no enforceable obligation in having to run a fair and impartial primary election.

In fairness, the Dems aren't alone in this attitude

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/16/we-choose-the-nominee-not-the-voters-senior-gop-official.html

Political parties, not voters, choose their presidential nominees, a Republican convention rules member told CNBC, a day after GOP front-runner Donald Trump rolled up more big primary victories.

"The media has created the perception that the voters choose the nomination. That's the conflict here," Curly Haugland, an unbound GOP delegate from North Dakota, told CNBC's "Squawk Box" on Wednesday. He even questioned why primaries and caucuses are held.

oh sure it was favoritism. that a big difference then saying their votes wouldnt matter namely if bernie got more votes

that was to squash the legal case to show it was no case either way. that they could decide in the back room not that they did

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Re: Biden as the Dem nominee
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2018, 09:53:57 PM »
also think if someone got more vote or pledge delegates it be political suicide to ignore  it

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Re: Biden as the Dem nominee
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2018, 10:18:28 PM »
This is why I gave up.

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Re: Biden as the Dem nominee
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2018, 11:47:07 PM »
also think if someone got more vote or pledge delegates it be political suicide to ignore  it

Not necessarily for party leadership that has become complacent with frequent losing provided the big donors keep throwing in cash.

Take a look at general trends, especially since 1994. With the exception of anti-Bush '06/Obama '08, Democrats have generally struggled at most levels of non-Presidential government ( House, Senate, Governorships, State Legislatures ) moreso than they had for decades previously.
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Re: Biden as the Dem nominee
« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2018, 02:28:59 AM »
also think if someone got more vote or pledge delegates it be political suicide to ignore  it

Not necessarily for party leadership that has become complacent with frequent losing provided the big donors keep throwing in cash.

Take a look at general trends, especially since 1994. With the exception of anti-Bush '06/Obama '08, Democrats have generally struggled at most levels of non-Presidential government ( House, Senate, Governorships, State Legislatures ) moreso than they had for decades previously.

Well isnt part of that is Republicans tend to come out and vote more in midterms Then the left do. And the president election is when both sides tend to come out. And things being gerrmangered People forget when we lost those seats..we actully got more votes in a lot of them. Then when the right get in power they germanger shit even more. Just look at that bullshit going on  in Georgia


http://time.com/5421332/georgia-brian-kemp-secretary-of-state-53000-voters-governor/

as For what they would do if someone they didnt like got more voters. Think it be like with Trump. They GOP didnt want trump. But dude simply got more votes all the time. Their plan was even if he got the majority of voters.. if he didnt get the actully threshold you need to clench it..they would vote against him. That why They force Rubio out early. Thinking Kasic and Cruz could somehow pool thier voter together. But Trump just won by to much and clench a lot early then they thought. In fact he was ahead most of that eleciton

With the dems thing. It was different. The prefered DNC candiate actully had more voters, more pledge delecate, more state, more blue states, more open primaries..more close.

But if somehow the other guy got more votes it be hard to argue against.

In fact that why progressive have a hard time. Because to easly they like "FUCK IT..why even try"

Why the right got a little more staying power. They kept badgering Obama care even when doing so was unpopular for years till they eventully got it crippled. Wish the left did the same on some of their own issues

Hell even with a progresive like Ortaz..that was like 20 percent voter turn out...thats pretty shitty.  Even though she check most of the boxes people say they want
« Last Edit: October 19, 2018, 02:38:37 AM by therock »