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Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2018, 11:43:07 AM »
You can't read.
I'm the one qualifying--saying you can't assume that every time a writer has Superman fail at something or fail to overpower someone, that particular writer secretly felt Superman had the potential to do far better if he'd been able to access his dynamic-like power.
I'm not denying that some writers probably do feel this way--in fact, I think they often do. But this is comics, so one can't make a blanket assumption that every writer subscribes to the idea of a Hulk-like Superman and to the same degree.
I'm the one saying that we can't read their minds here.
I hate to say this but Jelly is right. You must be using some weapon grade TP right now to know what a writer always thinking. But overall most if not over 90% of SM writers have given SM above Top Tier showings over the last 50 odd yrs. Even John Byrne who wrote the weakest SM baring his 1938 era portrayal has said that SM is as strong as he needs to be. To me that implies SM has a vast untapped reserve of  power & STR that he  can tap into whenever the situation call for it(see Earth Stealer graphic Novel JB wrote). The reason SM doesn't break MM face with a punch or other heroes like him is SM holds back so much, unlike Hulk who doesn't know the meaning of holding back let alone know how to spell it.
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Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2018, 03:39:18 PM »
You can't read.
I'm the one qualifying--saying you can't assume that every time a writer has Superman fail at something or fail to overpower someone, that particular writer secretly felt Superman had the potential to do far better if he'd been able to access his dynamic-like power.
I'm not denying that some writers probably do feel this way--in fact, I think they often do. But this is comics, so one can't make a blanket assumption that every writer subscribes to the idea of a Hulk-like Superman and to the same degree.
I'm the one saying that we can't read their minds here.
I hate to say this but Jelly is right. You must be using some weapon grade TP right now to know what a writer always think.

Um...

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Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2018, 08:17:12 PM »
Can Superman accomplish the Im Hulk challenge?


1. Crack Thor's skull with one punch like Hulk did

2. Shrugg off hits from herald levels like Jane Thor and both Hercules

3. Simultaneously beat the Avengers


Lets do this 1 at a time

1. Probably since a weakened SM tore  DD in half. The problem is SM rarely operates at this lvl not b/c he can't but b/c he holds back so much. He only tore DD in half b/c of the damage DD would do to the Earth population.

2. Yes, since he taken hits from Zod, Eradicator and now from several dozen Kryptonian at the same time in SM 4. Nevertheless to be honest that's not his usual portrayal.

3. See Superman Rex, Ending Battle and SM 4, but like I said b4 this isn't he's usual portrayal b/c he holds back so much.

Zod, nor Eradiactor nor those random kryptonians in rebirth that superman overpowered have any planetary feats while Jane, and Hercules does so irrelevant.  also, has superman EVER simultaneously shrugg off 2 beings on the scale of hercules and jane without flinching like Hulk did? I mean has any of the beings supes ever fought hurt their hurt punching him like BOTH Hercules and Jane? No.

Hulk shrugs off Jane Thor and Hercules effortlessly just by flexing his muscle:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11116/111164621/6365356-3401482623-RCO01.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11116/111164621/6365357-5058189473-RCO01.jpg

here's the script:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111239983/6434286-screen+shot+2018-05-19+at+3.53.57+pm.png

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111239983/6434287-screen+shot+2018-05-19+at+3.54.09+pm.png


both Jane and Hercules have planetary level strength and Hulk treats them like fodder.



tanks an energy enhanced punch from the Elder of the universe that sends him interplanteray distances and just laughs it off:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111239983/6434390-1273755797-RCO01.jpg

In fact, the script describes it as equal punch, equal energy attack:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111239983/6434393-screen+shot+2018-05-19+at+4.50.48+pm.png

Insane and super fast healing factor:


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111164621/6641955-2708628030-RCO01.jpg


Him just swinging his hands back hurts Jane Thor and Hercules

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11123/111239983/6434320-8121014099-dfb14f64-c4cc-4300-89df-7228004e6fbe

Draws blood from and hurts Sasquatch, who was under The One Below All influence and whose possession has unlocked his full power, rivalling that of Bruce's:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111239983/6596874-1039929209-RCO00.jpg

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Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2018, 05:38:04 AM »
Hulk is not Doomsday, in fact Hulk is vastly more superior to New-52 Doomsday, so much so that when that fight happened, even the writer said Hulk would beat SuperDoom, Superman amped on Doomsday virus.

https://www.cbr.com/pak-explores-the-humanity-of-clark-kent-in-superman-doomed/

The problem with all of Rebirth is that everyone is currently nerfed, no one operates at pre-52 levels or even new-52 levels. Superman almost dies to the heat of Earths core, gets rolled over by a steamroller, gets overwhelmed by a dinosaur, he is consistently been getting his ass kicked by Rogol and that guy is at most a city buster. Superman is getting better but it's a slow process and he is still far away from his pre-52 days.

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Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2018, 06:28:57 AM »
That's one writer's opinion. The fact is that Hulk does get beaten and overpowered sometimes, without getting talked down.

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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2018, 04:38:56 PM »
That's one writer's opinion. The fact is that Hulk does get beaten and overpowered sometimes, without getting talked down.

um. The same writer that wrote SuperDoom. Of course he does, but Immortal Hulk is a different case entirely and i don't see Superman putting him down.

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Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2018, 01:27:21 PM »


Um...

supes fanboys will always be so

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Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2018, 09:59:49 PM »
Superman rebuilt the moon while having a conversation with Batman and overpowered a army.  Obvious Superman and Hulk are above most heroes in their respective universes. 

That said we all know this will be another spat fest between  Goken and Jelly.

he overloaded an army of random kryptonians with no feats how is that impressive

Are we talking about the army of beastly looking creatures?  Are those Kryptonians?  Or are they creatures imprisoned by Kryptonians? Like Rogol Zaar, I thought they were alien creatures who despise Kryptonians.

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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2018, 10:25:39 PM »
Hulk is not Doomsday, in fact Hulk is vastly more superior to New-52 Doomsday, so much so that when that fight happened, even the writer said Hulk would beat SuperDoom, Superman amped on Doomsday virus.

https://www.cbr.com/pak-explores-the-humanity-of-clark-kent-in-superman-doomed/

The problem with all of Rebirth is that everyone is currently nerfed, no one operates at pre-52 levels or even new-52 levels. Superman almost dies to the heat of Earths core, gets rolled over by a steamroller, gets overwhelmed by a dinosaur, he is consistently been getting his ass kicked by Rogol and that guy is at most a city buster. Superman is getting better but it's a slow process and he is still far away from his pre-52 days.

That same DD is burned to a crisp by HV.  This incarnation’s adaptation makes his hard durability questionable. 

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Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2018, 10:47:03 AM »
Doomsday was getting stronger by absorbing the energy.

His durability wasn't suspect, Steel's hammer shattered on Doomsday and Doomsday defeated both Mongul and Non (Mongul was beating Diana and oneshotted Xa Du who matched Superman under Morrison).

Superman was just that powerful under Lobdell when cutting loose.

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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2018, 10:54:58 AM »
Hulk would destroy Superman. 

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Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2018, 03:15:38 PM »
Doomsday was getting stronger by absorbing the energy.

His durability wasn't suspect, Steel's hammer shattered on Doomsday and Doomsday defeated both Mongul and Non (Mongul was beating Diana and oneshotted Xa Du who matched Superman under Morrison).

Superman was just that powerful under Lobdell when cutting loose.


.... why would n52 mongul and non be relevant to Immortal Hulk? they dont even have feats comparable to savage, or post breach core Hulk tf

 and ripping Doomsday has nothing to do with ripping Hulk if you want to actually know the specific writer that wrote that fight as well as SuperDoom(amped version of Superman), said Hulk would beat Superman and SuperDoom https://www.cbr.com/pak-explores-the-humanity-of-clark-kent-in-superman-doomed/
« Last Edit: October 16, 2018, 03:17:33 PM by gokenadams »

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Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2018, 03:20:33 PM »
Hulk is not Doomsday, in fact Hulk is vastly more superior to New-52 Doomsday, so much so that when that fight happened, even the writer said Hulk would beat SuperDoom, Superman amped on Doomsday virus.

https://www.cbr.com/pak-explores-the-humanity-of-clark-kent-in-superman-doomed/

The problem with all of Rebirth is that everyone is currently nerfed, no one operates at pre-52 levels or even new-52 levels. Superman almost dies to the heat of Earths core, gets rolled over by a steamroller, gets overwhelmed by a dinosaur, he is consistently been getting his ass kicked by Rogol and that guy is at most a city buster. Superman is getting better but it's a slow process and he is still far away from his pre-52 days.

That same DD is burned to a crisp by HV.  This incarnation’s adaptation makes his hard durability questionable. 

He was burned to a crisp by HV because All Out Mode  HV can incinerate Skyfather + level beings.

Continue to cry bitter tears about that fact.

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Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2018, 07:03:23 PM »
Hulk is not Doomsday, in fact Hulk is vastly more superior to New-52 Doomsday, so much so that when that fight happened, even the writer said Hulk would beat SuperDoom, Superman amped on Doomsday virus.

https://www.cbr.com/pak-explores-the-humanity-of-clark-kent-in-superman-doomed/

The problem with all of Rebirth is that everyone is currently nerfed, no one operates at pre-52 levels or even new-52 levels. Superman almost dies to the heat of Earths core, gets rolled over by a steamroller, gets overwhelmed by a dinosaur, he is consistently been getting his ass kicked by Rogol and that guy is at most a city buster. Superman is getting better but it's a slow process and he is still far away from his pre-52 days.

That same DD is burned to a crisp by HV.  This incarnation’s adaptation makes his hard durability questionable. 

He was burned to a crisp by HV because All Out Mode  HV can incinerate Skyfather + level beings.

Continue to cry bitter tears about that fact.

Apparently not:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-5667598

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Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2018, 09:17:04 PM »
1) I say yes. Would he always be able to? Maybe. Could he potentially? Absolutely. To say he without a doubt could not, given all that he has done before would be asinine.

2) Not an all the time thing, but it’s in the realm of possibility, so I say he could, with sufficient motivation to “not hold back” or whatever.

3) Why not? He’s the most boring character in existence. There’s no drama or a chance that he can’t do something; Superman always pulls through. Does anyone that reads a Superman comic ever think, “Oh shit...I don’t think he can do it this time!”? No? Exactly.

It can be a million whatevers up against him; there will be some bullshit way he pulls through.