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Transformers vs Gundam
« on: September 15, 2018, 02:33:00 PM »
Since there are different versions of both of these franchises, let's just pretend all versions combine to create massive giant robot armies.

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Re: Transformers vs Gundam
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2018, 05:13:12 PM »
Depends on a few factors.

1 - Do the Transformers get Unicron? If so, its a stomp, he could only be beaten via
plot device.

2 - Location. Is this in open space, or on land?

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Re: Transformers vs Gundam
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2018, 05:46:19 PM »
1 - No cosmics.
2 - Fight takes place on the Moon but can extend into space.

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Re: Transformers vs Gundam
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2018, 09:52:15 PM »
Last question. Is this STRICTLY Gundams, or can the non-Gundams (Zeon
Mobile Suits, etc.) be used for this fight as well?

Just thought I'd ask since Transformers probably includes both Autobots
& Decepticons.

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Re: Transformers vs Gundam
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2018, 10:28:44 PM »
Yeah, I figured the entire universes would go at it, which would include the ships and stuff from the Gundam series as well.

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Re: Transformers vs Gundam
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2018, 12:25:32 PM »
Transformers still have city sized transformers like Metroplex and Trypticon. As well as all the Combiners and whatnot.

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Re: Transformers vs Gundam
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2018, 11:14:32 AM »
They do, but the Gundams have weapons, most notably Wing Zero's Buster Rifle, that can destroy an entire space station.

With all the info in place, I'm giving it to the Gundams.

Going by names, the Transformers have
more numbers, but the Gundams have a
imo, the significantly better firepower.

As I mentioned previously, Wing Zero's
Buster Rifle was capable of destroying an
entire space colony, so I don't see
Metroplex or the Decepticon ver. being
able to stand up to that kind of firepower.

Then there's Physalis' Nuke Cannon,
which is going to kill a LOT of their
numbers.

And shit, how are the Transformers
going to stop the Dark Gundam from
controlling them, seeing as how they
are all machines?

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Re: Transformers vs Gundam
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2018, 12:06:16 PM »
And regular sized Transformers like Optimus and Megatron have guns that can destroy moons. And are in turn tough enough to tank multiple attacks of that magnitude, like Optimus shrugging off full powered hits froms Megatron's Fusion Cannon. The Transformers also have incredibly diverse weapons like a Null Ray(which saps all power from a machine) or the Rust Gun which does what it sounds like. Also the Transformers have far faster reaction time as they are trillions of years advanced beyond humans and are robots. And they're just straight up stronger than the Gundams too.

Plus you've got Triple Changers, Six Changers, The Primes, The Council, Fallen, etc...

Prove the Dark Gundam can control

A) Non-Earth Technology
B) Technology several million(at the least) years more advanced than it
C) Technology that can and has casually done the Dark Gundam's entire schtick(Transformers easily hack everything Earth has to throw at them multiple times)

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Re: Transformers vs Gundam
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2018, 12:18:24 PM »
Destroying a space colony is a bit of a chain reaction thing isn’t it?

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Re: Transformers vs Gundam
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2018, 01:01:19 PM »
Yeah. Hit a vital point and the rest goes boom. And in doing so Wing Zero destroys itself in the process usually as ut cant handle the energy the cannon gives off so close to it. Thats why it usually uses the single buster like a beam rifle, bot the double buster cannon.

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Re: Transformers vs Gundam
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2018, 10:07:02 PM »
And regular sized Transformers like Optimus and Megatron have guns that can destroy moons.

Source please.

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And are in turn tough enough to tank multiple attacks of that magnitude, like Optimus shrugging off full powered hits froms Megatron's Fusion Cannon.

They couldn't that in the TV shows, so again, please provide the circumstances where this is a thing.

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The Transformers also have incredibly diverse weapons like a Null Ray(which saps all power from a machine) or the Rust Gun which does what it sounds like.

And are they standard weapons? Can't say I recall a time where they consistently resorted to them.

Either way, the more powerful Gundams won't be affected by the Null Ray (The Turn A & X are powered
by what are essentially, black holes, and the G-Gundams are also semi-powered by Chi). Other Gundams
also have systems to potentially counter such a device.

As for Rust, it has never been an issue in any Gundam fiction, so I don't imagine it working here.

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Also the Transformers have far faster reaction time

Never seen Transformers have super speed reaction timing. And either way, the pilots for the
Gundams have insane reaction times as well, not to mention that the Newtypes have their
Pre-Cog, and Wing Zero has the Zero system, which acts similarly to Midnighter's mind computer,
battle data and possible outcomes of the battle.

Not to mention that there are plenty of Mobile suits that are super fast. Sazabi, Char's Red Zaku
Custom, Strike Freedom, Talgeese I & III, Victory, etc. And if anything, the Gundams have shown
themselves to move significantly faster than any Transformer I've ever seen, including Starscream.

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as they are trillions of years advanced beyond humans and are robots. And they're just
straight up stronger than the Gundams too.

In terms of fisticuffs, sure. Excluding G-Gundam, most mobile suits are not going into melee
combat, however, most Transformers don't have (or have shown) a lot of melee based feats,
whereas Gundams fight mostly in close range combat on top of their ranged weapons.

Gundams don't stand and trade, they're constantly moving and flying at high speeds, just
look at Wing Zero's fight against Epyon at the end of Gundam Wing. Never seen any Transformers
fight at that speed, not even Optimus or Megatron fought at those speeds.

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Plus you've got Triple Changers, Six Changers, The Primes, The Council, Fallen, etc...

Zeon's Mobile Armors, Gundam Dendrobius. and the Dark Gundam have this covered. All of
which are army destroying mobiles suits, as well as Gundam Physalis' Nuke Cannon.

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Prove the Dark Gundam can control
A) Non-Earth Technology

Cybertronian tech isn't that complex if a normal human (Carly) could reverse Wheeljack's
Immobilizer WITHOUT Wheeljack or anyone instructing her how to do so.

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B) Technology several million(at the least) years more advanced than it

Semantics. We've seen human characters conquer this numerous times, you mean an
A.I. wouldn't be able to?

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C) Technology that can and has casually done the Dark Gundam's entire schtick(Transformers easily hack everything Earth has to throw at them multiple times)

Name it.

Furthermore, throughout their various canon, the Transformers have fallen or gotten in trouble by
various viruses (Hate Plague, Cosmic Rust, etc.) Never has this happened in a Gundam series.
Which tells me that the Dark Gundam's  G-Cells are going to run havok amongst the Transformers.

Furthermore, there's nothing the Transformers can do against Turn A & Turn X's Moonlight
Butterfly, which would send a wave of nanites that literally consume energy and destroy anything
technological.

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Re: Transformers vs Gundam
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2018, 10:09:11 PM »
Destroying a space colony is a bit of a chain reaction thing isn’t it?

It literally took seconds for the colony to blow up, mostly from the power of
the beam.

Also, no, the Buster Rifle does not damage Wing Zero when its in use. You're
thinking of Wing Zero Custom, which was already heavily damaged when it
fired the Twin Buster Rifle.

When Heero and Quatre both went nuts in Zero, they were using the Buster
Rifle more than once and weren't at risk of self-destruction.