So, what exactly is a street leveler any more?


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So, what exactly is a street leveler any more?
« on: August 08, 2018, 07:57:37 AM »
When i started posting, the rule of thumb was, ‘Spider-man straddled the line between street level and the higher powered characters’.

Has that line shifted?

Because for years now, characters i used to consider street level have gotten more and more powerful.
Black Panther used to be a jungle gymnast, basically, now he can do some truly outrageous stuff. Iron Fist’s chi powers have him doing things i never even considered possible.
Those are just two examples, but what got me to ask was this:

Posted at KMC.
Is Batman really a guy who takes on muggers still? Packing that kind of tech?

Does the street level definition ‘fights crime on the streets’ still apply and to heck with the fact that most of these characters dont, any more, and can easily fight high level metas?

Just wanna hear your take(s) on it, if you have one. 


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Re: So, what exactly is a street leveler any more?
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2018, 11:09:47 PM »
Spider-Man is such an odd cat. Has a character of doing serious damage and even beating cosmic/Hulk level guys but has fought guys like Daredevil and didn't somehow knock his daylights out in 2 punches but instead engaged in extended fights.

So I'm not sure how to answer your question, its a good one I just dont know.


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Re: So, what exactly is a street leveler any more?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2018, 08:23:15 AM »
To me SL is someone manly fights SL crimes & that can be killed by ordinary weapons and most of his rogues is normal humans in stats. Using that definition IF, DD, NW, Batman, Cap, Deathstroke, MK & Punisher would be considered SL. But Wolverine, DP & BP wouldn't be since Wolverine can survive nuclear bombs, Deadpool can regenerate from anything and BP is almost impossible to hurt with normal weapons. Spiderman straddles the fences between the 2.

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Re: So, what exactly is a street leveler any more?
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2018, 12:37:31 AM »
I feel as though in recent years, street levelers have their own set of tiers,
much like you have of superhumans and higher.

I would say the most bare bone street leveler is the individual who is literally
a normal human being who has the least (or none) superhuman feats. Maybe
a once or thrice feat that a normal person can't do, but nowhere near being
close to Spider-Man's ballpark.

So characters like Rick Grimes for example, are completely street level. 0
superhuman anything. Characters like him are as "normal" as it gets.

From there you get a range of street levelers that are the same as Rick,
but they may have either slightly greater strength (or striking power).
This is where your "normal" martial artists fall under, like IP Man and
other martial-art film characters. Or you have marksmen like in cowboy
movies that have reaction speeds and accuracy that are definitely
a smidge "too good", but still nothing insane. A decent amount of
action movie characters fall under this line as well.

The next tier is probably your Batman, Daredevil, Grendel, Shadow,
etc. The Crime Fighters. These characters are for the sake of argument,
"human", but they do shit that only a quote on quote "perfect" human
being can accomplish. These guys will on occassion, pull out a "super"
human feat, but then sort of quietly go back to "normal." For ex, Batman
will kick down a steel door, but then have trouble breaking through rope.
In this tier you also get your martial-artists that move faster than the
eye (yet not fast enough to be considered super speed), and then you
have marksmen with sniper level (or even higher) accuracy with weapons
that don't support this (Ryo Saeba from City Hunter has a special shooting
technique where he can make all 6 shots from a revolver hit the **exact**
same spot), and let's not even talk about Golgo 13's accuracy insanity.
Leon Kennedy and Chris Redfield fall under this area as well.

After this, I'd say you hit that fine line between superhuman and street
leveler. You get your Spider-Man, and a fuck ton of Manga/Anime characters
all land here (Vash The Stampede for ex).


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Re: So, what exactly is a street leveler any more?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2018, 07:47:04 AM »
I usually gauge streets, mids, and top tiers based on power, damage soak, and damage output.  If they have little or no powers, can generally be killed by normal human means, and can't typically take down, say, a little one story building in a small amount of time I place them on the street.

Typically, I consider Spider-Man and Wolverine to be where mid-tiers start, which means Batman and the like are below them as street levelers.