Herochat

Deathstroke vs Elektra

AP

  • *****
  • 17732
  • +100/-54
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2018, 12:30:50 PM »
physically superior and skilled enough. I already listed elektra striking feats, slade doesnt have comparable

Elektra vs Shield Hulkbusters:
https://i.imgur.com/7d0G3nS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VZEezjl.jpg


And while she has punched through body armor before, I think the more stupidly impressive feat is this time she threw her sai into a guys gun so hard it tore his hand off and punched through his body armor and all the way out the back of his torso also apparently knocking him back off his feet.

https://imgur.com/kZRTsbJ

Also when she was dealing with a Hand robot with [/URL]bullet proof armor she was able to throw her Sai with enough force to penetrate it and take it down

https://imgur.com/zbXP8aa

https://imgur.com/ZLmYnA4

Just so it is on record though The punching through body armor incident


https://imgur.com/kZRTsbJ

https://imgur.com/04zPrBG

Slade has busted up armor, robots, and thrown blades through guys before.  Also, the first scan is Elektra exploiting weak points in the Hulkbusters.  She even mentions in the scans shown that she is not using any powers.

Quote
stabbing into Red She-Hulk with her Sai

https://imgur.com/li5AIYH

Thrown her Sai also penetrated Red Hulk's neck

https://imgur.com/kZRTsbJ

https://imgur.com/Huj7QBr

^who asks if the things are made of adamantium

Yes, she had adamantium sais these days.  Slade still has more weapons, including projectiles.  That's why everyone is saying he has superior weapons.  Also he has armor that is nth metal as well as promethian so he has the "special, unbreakable metal" thing going for him.  He's simply more versatile than Elektra.

Quote
Marvel Martial Artists seem to be their own category of superhuman above peak humans

The same thing can be said of DC martial artists.  Also, you do realize Deathstroke has superhuman strength, right?  It is one of his powers.  Elektra has no powers.  Think about who should be stronger.

Quote
I also didn't go into Elektra's bullet timing feats, blocking full auto fire, cutting a bullet in half, back flip kicking a sniper round after escaping Skrull captivity. In Marvel martial arts seems to be like magic, the users don't have to explain shit.

Again, Deathstroke has dodged bullets.  Hell, he's dodged Superman.  And Flash (multiple times).

The Shuruku Demon

  • ******
  • 2592
  • +30/-7
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2018, 01:48:36 PM »
physically superior and skilled enough.

His skill is evident in his fights with people like Batman, Bronze Tiger, Green Arrow and Black Canary. If he were a shitty fighter, he'd lose to those people, because they can handle unskilled superhumans. He generally gets the better of them not simply because he has superior stats, but because he wields that stat edge with considerable skill.

As for proving that he's physically superior, do you actually disagree that he is? Because I don't want to waste my time proving a point we both agree on. And you already acknowledged that he's physically superior to Batman, so unless you're arguing that Elektra is physically superior to Batman as well, then you must agree that Slade is above both of them.

I already listed elektra striking feats, slade doesnt have comparable

Elektra vs Shield Hulkbusters:
https://i.imgur.com/7d0G3nS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VZEezjl.jpg


And while she has punched through body armor before, I think the more stupidly impressive feat is this time she threw her sai into a guys gun so hard it tore his hand off and punched through his body armor and all the way out the back of his torso also apparently knocking him back off his feet.

https://imgur.com/kZRTsbJ


Also when she was dealing with a Hand robot with [/URL]bullet proof armor she was able to throw her Sai with enough force to penetrate it and take it down

https://imgur.com/zbXP8aa

https://imgur.com/ZLmYnA4


Just so it is on record though The punching through body armor incident


https://imgur.com/kZRTsbJ

https://imgur.com/04zPrBG

stabbing into Red She-Hulk with her Sai

https://imgur.com/li5AIYH

Thrown her Sai also penetrated Red Hulk's neck

https://imgur.com/kZRTsbJ

https://imgur.com/Huj7QBr

^who asks if the things are made of adamantium


Also on the note of her sai, and so I can test if albums can work with the url as text thing, Her Sai have a synaptic based biometric lock keyed to her nervous system so they can't be used against her and paralyze people who try.

https://imgur.com/a/psxIqPz

I don't know that Slade would try to turn her weapons against her if he got a hold of them, but that is a thing apparently. I need to look on if that is still actually a thing though because this seems like the kind of thing easily forgotten by writers.

Marvel Martial Artists seem to be their own category of superhuman above peak humans, Danny Rand's sister whose whole thing is she's a human with kung fu can hit Demons so hard she tears extremities off. Edit: Woops it was Danny who punched a head off a demon...Miranda just beat the shit out of one. Still though.

I also didn't go into Elektra's bullet timing feats, blocking full auto fire, cutting a bullet in half, back flip kicking a sniper round after escaping Skrull captivity. In Marvel martial arts seems to be like magic, the users don't have to explain shit.


Not to mention in fight with Danny recently in defenders Elektra had the upper advantage until Danny used Chi to put her down

So do you consider Elektra to be stronger than Batman or Daredevil? Or more formidable than either one? If not, then I don't know what you're trying to achieve with this scan bomb. If you do think she's stronger or formidable than those guys, then this debate just got a whole lot more interesting.

gokenadams

  • ****
  • 891
  • +5/-14
  • I don't really know or care what an outlier is
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2018, 01:55:22 PM »
physically superior and skilled enough.

His skill is evident in his fights with people like Batman, Bronze Tiger, Green Arrow and Black Canary. If he were a shitty fighter, he'd lose to those people, because they can handle unskilled superhumans. He generally gets the better of them not simply because he has superior stats, but because he wields that stat edge with considerable skill.

As for proving that he's physically superior, do you actually disagree that he is? Because I don't want to waste my time proving a point we both agree on. And you already acknowledged that he's physically superior to Batman, so unless you're arguing that Elektra is physically superior to Batman as well, then you must agree that Slade is above both of them.

I already listed elektra striking feats, slade doesnt have comparable

Elektra vs Shield Hulkbusters:
https://i.imgur.com/7d0G3nS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VZEezjl.jpg


And while she has punched through body armor before, I think the more stupidly impressive feat is this time she threw her sai into a guys gun so hard it tore his hand off and punched through his body armor and all the way out the back of his torso also apparently knocking him back off his feet.

https://imgur.com/kZRTsbJ


Also when she was dealing with a Hand robot with [/URL]bullet proof armor she was able to throw her Sai with enough force to penetrate it and take it down

https://imgur.com/zbXP8aa

https://imgur.com/ZLmYnA4


Just so it is on record though The punching through body armor incident


https://imgur.com/kZRTsbJ

https://imgur.com/04zPrBG

stabbing into Red She-Hulk with her Sai

https://imgur.com/li5AIYH

Thrown her Sai also penetrated Red Hulk's neck

https://imgur.com/kZRTsbJ

https://imgur.com/Huj7QBr

^who asks if the things are made of adamantium


Also on the note of her sai, and so I can test if albums can work with the url as text thing, Her Sai have a synaptic based biometric lock keyed to her nervous system so they can't be used against her and paralyze people who try.

https://imgur.com/a/psxIqPz

I don't know that Slade would try to turn her weapons against her if he got a hold of them, but that is a thing apparently. I need to look on if that is still actually a thing though because this seems like the kind of thing easily forgotten by writers.

Marvel Martial Artists seem to be their own category of superhuman above peak humans, Danny Rand's sister whose whole thing is she's a human with kung fu can hit Demons so hard she tears extremities off. Edit: Woops it was Danny who punched a head off a demon...Miranda just beat the shit out of one. Still though.

I also didn't go into Elektra's bullet timing feats, blocking full auto fire, cutting a bullet in half, back flip kicking a sniper round after escaping Skrull captivity. In Marvel martial arts seems to be like magic, the users don't have to explain shit.


Not to mention in fight with Danny recently in defenders Elektra had the upper advantage until Danny used Chi to put her down

So do you consider Elektra to be stronger than Batman or Daredevil? Or more formidable than either one? If not, then I don't know what you're trying to achieve with this scan bomb. If you do think she's stronger or formidable than those guys, then this debate just got a whole lot more interesting.

well she almost killed daredevil with her one strike according to daredevil's own admission, he only survived because elektra held back at last minute and still almost killed him so yes. I've already SHOWED elektra striking feats so no Slade is not "physically"  superior in striking. period.


Not BAMF

  • ********
  • 4934
  • +19/-13
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2018, 01:55:41 PM »
Well he DEFINITELY thinks Elektra is stronger/more formidable than Batman because Batman is a DC character. So that's less of a trap question and more of a chance for him to prove how idiotic he is.
https://gotstratosphere.com/2018/08/14/show-8-14-18-sweethearty-summer/ (Guest starring our wives to talk about Luke Cage S2 and The Long Halloween!)


gokenadams

  • ****
  • 891
  • +5/-14
  • I don't really know or care what an outlier is
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2018, 01:58:39 PM »
Slade being superior to Batman is debatable seeing as they stalemated each other recently  under Priest, in Deathstroke's own title. (deathstroke #34)

AP

  • *****
  • 17732
  • +100/-54
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2018, 02:07:05 PM »
well she almost killed daredevil with her one strike according to daredevil's own admission, he only survived because elektra held back at last minute and still almost killed him so yes. I've already SHOWED elektra striking feats so no Slade is not "physically"  superior in striking. period.

Are you suggesting Deathstroke can't kill people with one hit?

gokenadams

  • ****
  • 891
  • +5/-14
  • I don't really know or care what an outlier is
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2018, 02:08:55 PM »
well she almost killed daredevil with her one strike according to daredevil's own admission, he only survived because elektra held back at last minute and still almost killed him so yes. I've already SHOWED elektra striking feats so no Slade is not "physically"  superior in striking. period.

Are you suggesting Deathstroke can't kill people with one hit?

I was replying to her being stronger than matt. please read

AP

  • *****
  • 17732
  • +100/-54
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2018, 02:09:57 PM »
I was replying to her being stronger than matt. please read

Even that's debatable but what does being stronger than Matt have to do with her being stronger than Deathstroke?

gokenadams

  • ****
  • 891
  • +5/-14
  • I don't really know or care what an outlier is
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2018, 02:14:13 PM »
I was replying to her being stronger than matt. please read

Even that's debatable but what does being stronger than Matt have to do with her being stronger than Deathstroke?

HEY I DONT KNOW MAN SHURUKU ASKED ME IF SHE WAS STRONGER THAN MATT AND I REPLIED TO IT

gokenadams

  • ****
  • 891
  • +5/-14
  • I don't really know or care what an outlier is
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2018, 02:27:42 PM »
And whilst drugged, experimented on and imprisoned at HAMMER, she takes a punch from Paladin, a peak to enhanced human in physical stats.




Here Elektra throws her sai into the barrel of a gun with enough force to rip the man's hand off and propel it through two layers of kevlar and his chest, gun still attached and all.



Her sais have sliced through the human body like tissue (see the Thunderbolts feat) and cut through kevlar with ease, They've cutten through thicker materials and penetrated the back of the superhuman Tiger Shark, a Class 50 foe of Namor's whose body is designed to withstand the crushing pressures of the ocean like other Atlanteans. Hence, this accounts for why Elektra's sais will cut through Slade's armor ease.



She breaks the steel blade of a dagger in the palm of her hand:




She's snapped chains that are holding her down on the ground despite not having any leverage.





Elektra is a tactical and analytical move reader given that she's been trained to kill above all else in her martial arts studies. These scans give an example of Elektra's type of thinking in a fight.







And Elektra recently had the upperhand against Danny in h2h to the point danny Ko'ed her with a chi attack

(Defenders #7, read it)


Is Slade more skilled than Danny huh Shuruku? NOW i'm asking you the question



AP

  • *****
  • 17732
  • +100/-54
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2018, 02:55:46 PM »
And whilst drugged, experimented on and imprisoned at HAMMER, she takes a punch from Paladin, a peak to enhanced human in physical stats.

Slade has taken punches from Wonder Woman and Osiris.


Quote
Here Elektra throws her sai into the barrel of a gun with enough force to rip the man's hand off and propel it through two layers of kevlar and his chest, gun still attached and all.

Her sais have sliced through the human body like tissue (see the Thunderbolts feat) and cut through kevlar with ease,

I covered this already.

Quote
They've cutten through thicker materials and penetrated the back of the superhuman Tiger Shark, a Class 50 foe of Namor's whose body is designed to withstand the crushing pressures of the ocean like other Atlanteans. Hence, this accounts for why Elektra's sais will cut through Slade's armor ease.

You know he has a healing factor, right?

Also, he has multiple projectile weapons and a longer blade so it's more likely that he would hit her.

Quote
She breaks the steel blade of a dagger in the palm of her hand:




She's snapped chains that are holding her down on the ground despite not having any leverage.


I covered this already as well.


Quote
Elektra is a tactical and analytical move reader given that she's been trained to kill above all else in her martial arts studies. These scans give an example of Elektra's type of thinking in a fight.





Has Elektra's tactics ever defeated people with lightspeed abilities?  Has she ever taken on a team like the Justice League or Titans?  Has she gone toe-to-toe geniuses on the level Batman?  The answer to all of these is no.


Quote
And Elektra recently had the upperhand against Danny in h2h to the point danny Ko'ed her with a chi attack

(Defenders #7, read it)

Is Slade more skilled than Danny huh Shuruku? NOW i'm asking you the question

Considering Danny eventually KO'd her, I'm not so sure she's superior to Iron Fist.  Aside from that, Deathstroke has beaten elite martial artists.

gokenadams

  • ****
  • 891
  • +5/-14
  • I don't really know or care what an outlier is
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2018, 02:59:25 PM »
Rebirth slade has ZERO standard gear that'll gave him the advantage over Elektra, nor does he have any resistance against piercing damage.

AP

  • *****
  • 17732
  • +100/-54
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2018, 03:00:59 PM »
Rebirth slade has ZERO standard gear that'll gave him the advantage over Elektra, nor does he have any resistance against piercing damage.

He can shoot her, blast her, blow her up and his sword can reach farther than her sai, so yes, his gear is better.  As for resistance to piercing attacks, once again, he has a healing factor.  He's been stabbed before.

The Shuruku Demon

  • ******
  • 2592
  • +30/-7
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2018, 03:42:01 PM »
So do you consider Elektra to be stronger than Batman or Daredevil? Or more formidable than either one? If not, then I don't know what you're trying to achieve with this scan bomb. If you do think she's stronger or formidable than those guys, then this debate just got a whole lot more interesting.

well she almost killed daredevil with her one strike according to daredevil's own admission, he only survived because elektra held back at last minute and still almost killed him so yes.

Yes, what? Are you saying Elektra is stronger than Daredevil? More formidable? Both?

And is she stronger than Batman IYO? More formidable? Both?

I've already SHOWED elektra striking feats so no Slade is not "physically"  superior in striking. period.

You posted some nice feats for her, but it doesn't mean she can hit as hard as Slade. Maybe she can, maybe she can't. Even if she can, it doesn't mean she's as strong as him, or physically equal to him in general. The striking power of martial artists has alot to do with their skill, not just strength.

Also, you're focusing solely on striking power, but I never said Slade was superior in that area specifically, I just said he was physically superior, as in overall. Do you dispute that?

Slade being superior to Batman is debatable seeing as they stalemated each other recently  under Priest, in Deathstroke's own title. (deathstroke #34)

There's nothing in that issue that contradicts the stat edge for Slade established in previous fights. Bruce specifically acknowledged Slade's enhanced strength and speed there.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Deathstroke-2016/Issue-34?id=137785#18

And Elektra recently had the upperhand against Danny in h2h to the point danny Ko'ed her with a chi attack

(Defenders #7, read it)

I just looked through it on readcomiconline. That is a very good showing for Elektra; she was at least matching Danny, and arguably was edging the fight before he resorted to that chi blast. However, this was all written by Bendis, who had Danny come off worse in a sparring match with Wolverine, and has a dodgy history as a writer in general.

Is Slade more skilled than Danny huh Shuruku? NOW i'm asking you the question

I'd put both Danny and Batman above Slade in skill, but I think he'd beat them both more often than not in a random encounter, because his skill combined with his stats and gear makes him superior all round.

gokenadams

  • ****
  • 891
  • +5/-14
  • I don't really know or care what an outlier is
    • View Profile
Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2018, 04:04:48 PM »
So do you consider Elektra to be stronger than Batman or Daredevil? Or more formidable than either one? If not, then I don't know what you're trying to achieve with this scan bomb. If you do think she's stronger or formidable than those guys, then this debate just got a whole lot more interesting.

well she almost killed daredevil with her one strike according to daredevil's own admission, he only survived because elektra held back at last minute and still almost killed him so yes.

Yes, what? Are you saying Elektra is stronger than Daredevil? More formidable? Both?

And is she stronger than Batman IYO? More formidable? Both?

I've already SHOWED elektra striking feats so no Slade is not "physically"  superior in striking. period.

You posted some nice feats for her, but it doesn't mean she can hit as hard as Slade. Maybe she can, maybe she can't. Even if she can, it doesn't mean she's as strong as him, or physically equal to him in general. The striking power of martial artists has alot to do with their skill, not just strength.

Also, you're focusing solely on striking power, but I never said Slade was superior in that area specifically, I just said he was physically superior, as in overall. Do you dispute that?

Slade being superior to Batman is debatable seeing as they stalemated each other recently  under Priest, in Deathstroke's own title. (deathstroke #34)

There's nothing in that issue that contradicts the stat edge for Slade established in previous fights. Bruce specifically acknowledged Slade's enhanced strength and speed there.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Deathstroke-2016/Issue-34?id=137785#18

And Elektra recently had the upperhand against Danny in h2h to the point danny Ko'ed her with a chi attack

(Defenders #7, read it)

I just looked through it on readcomiconline. That is a very good showing for Elektra; she was at least matching Danny, and arguably was edging the fight before he resorted to that chi blast. However, this was all written by Bendis, who had Danny come off worse in a sparring match with Wolverine, and has a dodgy history as a writer in general.

Is Slade more skilled than Danny huh Shuruku? NOW i'm asking you the question

I'd put both Danny and Batman above Slade in skill, but I think he'd beat them both more often than not in a random encounter, because his skill combined with his stats and gear makes him superior all round.

Irrelevant. Just because it was written by bendis doesn't excuse it happened.  that showing is a skill feat, and shows Elektra being superior to Slade in the skill department. Do YOU dispute that?


2)  Yes I dispute that. Slade doesn't strike harder than Elektra. you've yet to prove this

3) Where's Slade durability feats showing he'll last more? I've shown feats where Elektra can do MASSIVE, MASSIVE damage. waiting for you to prove otherwise

4)  doesn't change the fact Slade got Ko'ed by Bruce in that comic. Bruce clearly stalemated him, you can't change that fact.

5) yes elektra is stronger than batman, why do you think i posted THOSE FEATS for her in the post? Are you gonna keep asking dumb questions or are you gonna post superior strength feats for Bruce since he supposedly scales to slade, and you can't find a feat for slade so you have to y'know do scaley thingy
« Last Edit: August 08, 2018, 04:06:28 PM by gokenadams »