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Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« on: June 18, 2018, 11:09:27 PM »
hmm?

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Re: Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2018, 04:40:28 AM »
Which Fate? When? The idea of fully healthy, in his prime, Kent Nelson as being the quintessential and most powerful Fate is problematic in that there really aren't many Post-Crisis showings for that version of Fate.


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Re: Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2018, 05:53:44 AM »
Which Fate? When? The idea of fully healthy, in his prime, Kent Nelson as being the quintessential and most powerful Fate is problematic in that there really aren't many Post-Crisis showings for that version of Fate.
They are all one. The time lines keep getting merged into one long stream. Kent is the same guy pre and post.

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Re: Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2018, 06:05:29 AM »
Yeah. Yeah. In theory.

But in practice, the original Crisis is a serious dividing line. Flashpoint and Rebirth perhaps less so. No one is really going to be using pre-Crisis showings to argue on ICT, and for pretty good reason.

At any rate, assuming an experienced Fate portrayal, these guys are all on the same level, and are all pretty close to 50/50 against one another; so any pairing is pretty much 50 / 50 vs the other IMO (as power-set matchups and synergies aren't typically that big a deal in comic fights or hierarchies).

That said, as a mage, Fate tends to be the most variable with respect to his power level. Fate's specific comics support this comic-wide trend. So any team with Fate on it could be seriously favored when everyone is at their best, but the underdog when everyone is at their worst.

Fate having a degree of intrinsic invulnerability helps limit his low-end, somewhat, of course.

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Re: Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2018, 09:20:46 AM »
Thor and Surfer

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Re: Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2018, 09:23:31 AM »
Team 1, quite easily too.

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Re: Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2018, 10:24:23 AM »
Team 1, quite easily too.

magic never shown to affect surfer

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Re: Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2018, 10:36:23 AM »
Team 1, quite easily too.
Hell No. Easily? Both Thor and Surfer perform well against Mages and Magics.

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Re: Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2018, 12:25:48 PM »
Surfer has piss poor record against magicians. Dr Strange has casually picked him apart before.

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Re: Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2018, 12:26:42 PM »
your comparing strange to fate?


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Re: Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2018, 12:39:52 PM »
Yeah. Yeah. In theory.

But in practice, the original Crisis is a serious dividing line. Flashpoint and Rebirth perhaps less so. No one is really going to be using pre-Crisis showings to argue on ICT, and for pretty good reason.

At any rate, assuming an experienced Fate portrayal, these guys are all on the same level, and are all pretty close to 50/50 against one another; so any pairing is pretty much 50 / 50 vs the other IMO (as power-set matchups and synergies aren't typically that big a deal in comic fights or hierarchies).

That said, as a mage, Fate tends to be the most variable with respect to his power level. Fate's specific comics support this comic-wide trend. So any team with Fate on it could be seriously favored when everyone is at their best, but the underdog when everyone is at their worst.

Fate having a degree of intrinsic invulnerability helps limit his low-end, somewhat, of course.

Your stances haven't been relevant for years. Pre-Crisis continuity was largely restored with Infinite Crisis.

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Re: Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2018, 01:10:52 PM »
Yeah. Yeah. In theory.

But in practice, the original Crisis is a serious dividing line. Flashpoint and Rebirth perhaps less so. No one is really going to be using pre-Crisis showings to argue on ICT, and for pretty good reason.

At any rate, assuming an experienced Fate portrayal, these guys are all on the same level, and are all pretty close to 50/50 against one another; so any pairing is pretty much 50 / 50 vs the other IMO (as power-set matchups and synergies aren't typically that big a deal in comic fights or hierarchies).

That said, as a mage, Fate tends to be the most variable with respect to his power level. Fate's specific comics support this comic-wide trend. So any team with Fate on it could be seriously favored when everyone is at their best, but the underdog when everyone is at their worst.

Fate having a degree of intrinsic invulnerability helps limit his low-end, somewhat, of course.

Your stances haven't been relevant for years. Pre-Crisis continuity was largely restored with Infinite Crisis.

That's what he means by "in theory", because pre-crisis being notionally in-continuity and current stories being written like it was still pre-crisis times are not the same thing. 

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Re: Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2018, 02:07:46 AM »
your comparing strange to fate?

I would because they are comparible. Either Kent or Hector compare to classic Strange well.

Both have magic feats on or close to his best. Fact is considering their much lower number of appearances it can even be argued (falsely I'd say) that thier averages are higher.

Once you add in their class 100 brick physicals and the energy/matter manip feats of Kent (which arent played as magic. Their are many many examples of him simply draining energy of machines etc, and every version of his origin shows Nabu taught him the secrets of molecular control) they make up for any magical shortfall

Every single time a Fate vs Strange battle plays out on any site the votes have always been split and I've always voted stalemate.