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« Reply #105 on: June 11, 2018, 09:01:11 AM »
Who was actually replaced though? While Sam was Cap Steve was still around. He also wasnt the first person to temporarily replace Steve. It's been done a few times. Banner was dead for like a hot minute. Wolverine basically got the Return of Superman treatment. Miles basically got a downgrade getting moved to the 616 since he wasn't the primary Spidey anymore. Thor is still around. Tony was replaced by Doom but he's back.

I can get not liking where the stories they are doing with establish characters but I see it less as some she mandate by Marvel and more that people are running out of stories to tell after 60+years.

I agree there is an element of that. Thor has been indirectly replaced before, so has Tony and its nice to mix things up now and again.

However, the big problem this time around is the how and the why.

1. Marvel have been systematically forcing a (far) left agenda into virtually all of its books. No one wants to be preached to in their entertainment and Marvel are not subtle about it, all it does is alienate a large chunk of its fanbase...a fanbase Marvel creators are only too happy to insult, vilify and block online creating more and more resentment as inevitably some fans take the bait and fire back.

2. The treatment of Marvel characters (to push this new agenda) has been horrendous.

The women are often drawn masculine and written as unlikable, man-hating, "I don't need no man" self-entitled, bitches that the other characters place on a pedestal (for no reason), are always morally and physically better than the male heroes they talk down to (despite far less experience in the case of the replacement characters), they have utterly no depth and any conflicts are only there to reinforce their Mary Sue status.

While the male characters are emasculated barely muscled, weak willed, self-doubting effeminate losers that everybody talks down to and are awkward failures in romantic pursuits.

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« Reply #106 on: June 11, 2018, 11:38:55 AM »
The purple-haired lass completely missed the point of Ben Parker's quote. Taken in it's proper context, Ben clearly meant that with great power should come great responsibility. He wasn't suggesting that most people have great power, or that those with great power necessarily use it responsibly. We can probably excuse the girl for not knowing the full context of the statement, but she didn't debunk Ben's point, she just strawmanned it.

Not only that but Peter seems to agree with her, and he's OK with her mocking Uncle Bens last words to him.
Adult Swim handled this correctly.

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« Reply #107 on: June 11, 2018, 12:24:09 PM »
Not only that but Peter seems to agree with her, and he's OK with her mocking Uncle Bens last words to him.

Somebody probably spiked that sushi he was munching on. Rape culture, y'know?

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« Reply #108 on: June 11, 2018, 04:39:23 PM »
Maybe Spidey was big sarcastic in his reply? Hopefully
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« Reply #109 on: June 11, 2018, 05:41:28 PM »
He was trying to get on their good side because They new where Cloak was and he was looking for him.

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« Reply #110 on: June 11, 2018, 06:53:32 PM »
So she's a villain? Cuz that would make sense.
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« Reply #111 on: June 11, 2018, 07:03:43 PM »
If you have a limited scope on how stories are written sure.

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« Reply #112 on: June 14, 2018, 05:51:09 PM »
well he is lazy.

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« Reply #113 on: June 14, 2018, 09:09:08 PM »
Who was actually replaced though? While Sam was Cap Steve was still around. He also wasnt the first person to temporarily replace Steve. It's been done a few times. Banner was dead for like a hot minute. Wolverine basically got the Return of Superman treatment. Miles basically got a downgrade getting moved to the 616 since he wasn't the primary Spidey anymore. Thor is still around. Tony was replaced by Doom but he's back.

I can get not liking where the stories they are doing with establish characters but I see it less as some she mandate by Marvel and more that people are running out of stories to tell after 60+years.

I agree there is an element of that. Thor has been indirectly replaced before, so has Tony and its nice to mix things up now and again.

However, the big problem this time around is the how and the why.

1. Marvel have been systematically forcing a (far) left agenda into virtually all of its books. No one wants to be preached to in their entertainment and Marvel are not subtle about it, all it does is alienate a large chunk of its fanbase...a fanbase Marvel creators are only too happy to insult, vilify and block online creating more and more resentment as inevitably some fans take the bait and fire back.

2. The treatment of Marvel characters (to push this new agenda) has been horrendous.

The women are often drawn masculine and written as unlikable, man-hating, "I don't need no man" self-entitled, bitches that the other characters place on a pedestal (for no reason), are always morally and physically better than the male heroes they talk down to (despite far less experience in the case of the replacement characters), they have utterly no depth and any conflicts are only there to reinforce their Mary Sue status.

While the male characters are emasculated barely muscled, weak willed, self-doubting effeminate losers that everybody talks down to and are awkward failures in romantic pursuits.


What far...far left ideas are they pushing


Thing is it hard to write a woman that not the baddest ass in the room..in a genera that generally power fantasies. I mean if there the main character. Ultimatley they may have failure...but end of the day they are going to win

Ms Marvel
Miles


seem pretty cool, and didn't seem superior then their counter parts wasnt screaming the white man.or seem to be screaming about men. And those seem to be that get bitch about a lot. Thor seem to be well reviewed. Even people who hate sjw..when you talk to admit it a decent story. And it always had a clock on it where she was going to die. Riri...I give you that a bit mary sueish. But no more then Damien..who went around bitch slapping robins in one story arc.

But Falcon. No different then winter solider. He took over in a way people say you should. He an old character that been around for a while. Cap side kick..wasn't introduce over night. Been a mainstay..and then replace Cap. And just for a tempoary amount of time

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« Reply #114 on: June 15, 2018, 08:22:25 AM »
What far...far left ideas are they pushing

...well off the top of my head...

- Attractiveness is taboo
- Heterosexuality is never the answer
- Death to the 'Patriarchy'
- Playing the Victim
- Lack of Individual Responsibility
- The only good man is the Cuckolded Man
- Self-entitlement >>> Hard work
- In Communist Marvel everyone can be [insert your hero here]

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Thing is it hard to write a woman that not the baddest ass in the room..in a genera that generally power fantasies.


Well an argument for another time might be "Do women really like power fantasies (as much as men) and if so explain the popularity of Fifty Shades", but lets leave that for the meantime.

One of the main problems (for me at least) is not and never has been badass female characters, but rather Mary Sue characters. The simplest and most obvious example of this is comparing Luke Skywalker and Rey.

Marvel's female characters are almost exclusively Mary Sue's: they don't need to try; they win easily; any lack of experience is irrelevant; everybody (inexplicably) loves them...even though they often act like total bitches.

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I mean if there the main character. Ultimatley they may have failure...but end of the day they are going to win.

Partially correct.

But the Mary Sue characters don't suffer adversity; that's why they'll never have any classic stories.

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Ms Marvel
Miles

Ms. Marvel could be a fantastic character, although from what I have seen (maybe 20% of the issues) that book is terrible and simply an excuse for identity politics peddling.

I don't know that much about Miles; personally I'd prefer if he was called Spider-Boy or had his own name though.

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seem pretty cool, and didn't seem superior then their counter parts wasnt screaming the white man.or seem to be screaming about men. And those seem to be that get bitch about a lot.

I haven't noticed much, if any, criticism of Miles (on youtube). I did see one story where the writer was criticized for having (the much more experienced) Peter Parker defer to Miles and act like the bumbling, inexperienced one of the two - but that was a criticism of Peter, not Miles.

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Thor seem to be well reviewed.


By a Comics Media of majority Left-leaning 'journalists'.

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Even people who hate sjw..when you talk to admit it a decent story.

Like who?

I'm on the Thor boards at Alvaro's and even many admitted left-leaning posters who are long time Thor readers admit its terrible.

Within the space of 7 years Aaron has had SIX #1 issues; a Legacy #700 issue and the most hyped Story issue of the decade (Death of the Mighty Thor) keeping the sales afloat.

Personally I think Aaron's run is the Anti-Thor run designed to destroy the character as an icon. But in his defence even I admit his use of mysteries to keep (weak-willed*) fans onboard is amazing (albeit he NEVER delivers in the end).

*It takes a lot for long time fans to give up a book - give them a glimmer of hope and you can keep them buying.

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And it always had a clock on it where she was going to die.


Which was included so she could play the victim.

However, a cursory glance towards the CURRENT issue shows that he brought her back from DEATH immediately after killing her off...oh but don't worry she STILL has the cancer so she can keep playing the victim.

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Riri...I give you that a bit mary sueish.


...a bit.  ::)

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But no more then Damien..who went around bitch slapping robins in one story arc.

I'm not saying there are no Gary Stu characters out there. I am saying there are currently few if any good female characters at Marvel and until they fix that (and other problems) those books will never be any good.

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But Falcon. No different then winter solider. He took over in a way people say you should. He an old character that been around for a while. Cap side kick..wasn't introduce over night. Been a mainstay..and then replace Cap. And just for a tempoary amount of time

...and then his main story (IIRC) was about illegal (Mexican) immigrants...instant classic.  ::)

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« Reply #115 on: June 15, 2018, 10:31:45 AM »
What far...far left ideas are they pushing

...well off the top of my head...

- Attractiveness is taboo
- Heterosexuality is never the answer
- Death to the 'Patriarchy'
- Playing the Victim
- Lack of Individual Responsibility
- The only good man is the Cuckolded Man
- Self-entitlement >>> Hard work
- In Communist Marvel everyone can be [insert your hero here]



What are some examples of that. What comics is the message the only good man is a cuckold man. Was it some Heroes for hire story where Iron fist jerks off while Luke cage bangs his girlfriend. If it netflix Iron fist...Im ok with it...fuck that dude. But if it comics I be shock. the everyone can be a hero..is not a communist thing.  And its not new. Where they say Attractivness is taboo. All the heroes accept for the kids...who are you know kids are still pretty hot. And I dont mean IN THE EYE OF THE BOLDER way. I mean fits with your standard defintion of beuty. Lady thor still an very pretty blond.


People if there were in real life, would be the most attractive one in the room


What far...far left ideas are they pushing

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Well an argument for another time might be "Do women really like power fantasies (as much as men) and if so explain the popularity of Fifty Shades", but lets leave that for the meantime.

One of the main problems (for me at least) is not and never has been badass female characters, but rather Mary Sue characters. The simplest and most obvious example of this is comparing Luke Skywalker and Rey.

Marvel's female characters are almost exclusively Mary Sue's: they don't need to try; they win easily; any lack of experience is irrelevant; everybody (inexplicably) loves them...even though they often act like total bitches.



First off Fifty Shades is girl porn. And most women acknowledge its dumb but enjoy reading it because its fun. Supergirl,   Hunger Games, Carmen Saniego,  Buffy,  Sarah Conner who seen as one of the most bad ass human in that universe with John as kind of a lil bitch through most of it,   Xena, Wonder Woman, Kim possibke, Sheena. Girl with the dragon tattoo, Nancy drew, Heminon granger. Olivia pope, tons of YA novels

The thing is your put in a tough spot. Because challenges get change into playing the victim. But if Jane Foster Cancer storyline anymore playing the victim then Say nighthawk aids story line. The fist captain Marvel cancer story line, Bruce Banner having an abusive father. Superman slowy dying of sun radiation

Also it harder to do cool bad ass moment with women without people screaming mary sue. You couldnt do a Sherlock holmes with a woman..because people will bitch i she the biggest cunt in the world.  Which will make Dr Who interesting

I watch Dr who a lot. Been watching the old ones as well.  A lot of the time the story stops..just for a character to say how AWESOME Dr who is.  Giving him the finest verbal dick sucking in the world. Campainons want to bang him. He the smartest mother fucker in the room, Can scared planets and armies just by the mention of his name. And not affraid to verbally own someone being dumb. He a bit of an asshole at time. Now it be VERY interest now that Dr who a lady and try to do the same shit


As for people who like Lady thor.  Put me a bind. If you say well the THE liberal press....then anything I show exaplaning why its good and is the liberal press. Then that makes anything saying it bad a free speech warrior fighting agianst the scourge of SJW and PC. When really it just two different people with a different opinon

So I can only go from what I seen on message board. a Lot of people here admist Jane Foster Thor pretty good. Same with other message boards and site im on.  And comment section. Lady thor has a good hook.  If she uses her power she dies. That about heroic sacrafice

What far...far left ideas are they pushing


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I mean if there the main character. Ultimatley they may have failure...but end of the day they are going to win.


...and then his main story (IIRC) was about illegal (Mexican) immigrants...instant classic.  ::)

havent read that story and know how it done. But it just one story...and some good stuff can be done with that idea. As for critue of miles when he first came out it was a HUGE amount of it. It just people calm down  a bit. But when they talk about SJW character replacing heroes he and ms marvel always included in the list to pump up the number

Failing to mention

1)  Miles was an altnerate universe character so didnt replace anyone
2) Captain Marvel wasnt replace..she was Captain Marvel..and she replace another hero

But the list of force diversity ruining comics...sound better if you include those two
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« Reply #116 on: June 15, 2018, 02:55:24 PM »
Don't have much time tonight. Apologies if I skim a few.

What are some examples of that.

- Attractiveness is taboo: The growing percentage of characters consistently drawn like men - Captain Marvel is probably the biggest culprit of this, but its many characters.
- Heterosexuality is never the answer: There are more LGBT romances in Marvel comics right now than Hetero ones. Not against LGBT romances (actually went to my cousin's gay wedding last year) but that community is about 2% of the western population yet the majority of relationships at Marvel.
- Death to the 'Patriarchy': A direct quote from a recent Thor comic
- Playing the Victim: Fem-Thor being the obvious example
- Lack of Individual Responsibility: RiRi taking over a country, Ms Marvel imprisoning someone for a crime they might commit in the future
- The only good man is the Cuckolded Man: Spidey recently (sleeping on the couch), Thor recently ("Don't touch me unless you want to lose that arm", Dr Strange recently (friend zoned by some unattractive woman he was interested in); Blade recently (turned down by Misty multiple times).
- Self-entitlement >>> Hard work: Multitude of inexperienced heroines who don't need to work hard to succeed - its all just given to them
- In Communist Marvel everyone can be [insert your hero here]: The sheer number of replacement heroes who don't create their own identity.

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What comics is the message the only good man is a cuckold man.

The quicker question would be point out a current alpha male in a Marvel book?

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Was it some Heroes for hire story where Iron fist jerks off while Luke cage bangs his girlfriend. If it netflix Iron fist...Im ok with it...fuck that dude. But if it comics I be shock.

No I don't know what you are referring to there.

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the everyone can be a hero..is not a communist thing.
 

To get specific I mean the sort of 'everybody can be Thor', 'everybody can be Captain America', these characters are not special in any way, 'push'.

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And its not new. Where they say Attractivness is taboo. All the heroes accept for the kids...who are you know kids are still pretty hot.


Obviously I wan't talking about 'the kids' I'm talking about the women who are (almost exclusively) NOT allowed to be sexy.

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And I dont mean IN THE EYE OF THE BOLDER way. I mean fits with your standard defintion of beuty. Lady thor still an very pretty blond.

Lady Thor's figure is well hidden under the armour, but she isn't allowed to be sexy - unless you are turned on by women with big biceps (which she has despite her strength being magical in nature).

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People if there were in real life, would be the most attractive one in the room.

Comics characters are meant to be larger than life, not mundane.

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First off Fifty Shades is girl porn. And most women acknowledge its dumb but enjoy reading it because its fun.


Exactly, it plays to the MOST POPULAR female fantasy of submission. The complete opposite of the Male POWER fantasy you referenced.

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Supergirl,   Hunger Games, Carmen Saniego,  Buffy,  Sarah Conner who seen as one of the most bad ass human in that universe with John as kind of a lil bitch through most of it,

Certainly in Terminator 2 where John was a KID.

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Xena, Wonder Woman, Kim possibke, Sheena. Girl with the dragon tattoo, Nancy drew, Heminon granger. Olivia pope, tons of YA novels

...and from what I have seen of those characters I don't have a problem with any of them. Which is why I didn't mention them.

The problem is not female characters, its Mary Sue characters pushing a left-leaning agenda.

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The thing is your put in a tough spot. Because challenges get change into playing the victim. But if Jane Foster Cancer storyline anymore playing the victim then Say nighthawk aids story line.

...how did that end up for Nighthawk?

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The fist captain Marvel cancer story line,


He actually died.

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Bruce Banner having an abusive father.

I've read hundreds of Hulk stories and I can't recall it coming up.

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Superman slowy dying of sun radiation.

I've read hundreds of Superman stories and I've only seen this mentioned in ONE.

In Fem-Thor its mentioned basically EVERY issue.

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Also it harder to do cool bad ass moment with women without people screaming mary sue. You couldnt do a Sherlock holmes with a woman..because people will bitch i she the biggest cunt in the world.  Which will make Dr Who interesting

Sherlock only gets away with being a Dick because Watson is there to point out he is being a Dick.

As for 'you couldn't do that with a woman' you should watch the final series of the recent BBC Sherlock where that exact thing happens.

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I watch Dr who a lot. Been watching the old ones as well.  A lot of the time the story stops..just for a character to say how AWESOME Dr who is.  Giving him the finest verbal dick sucking in the world. Campainons want to bang him. He the smartest mother fucker in the room, Can scared planets and armies just by the mention of his name. And not affraid to verbally own someone being dumb. He a bit of an asshole at time. Now it be VERY interest now that Dr who a lady and try to do the same shit

You probably haven't been watching much of the recent Dr Who then, he's basically a cuckolded old man upstaged by his much smarter young sidekicks.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Computing+Forever+Dr+Who

Personally I like the idea of a female Dr Who (and I really like the actor playing her sidekick) but I don't like the heavy handed politics and the reasoning behind WHY they are doing this right now.

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As for people who like Lady thor.  Put me a bind. If you say well the THE liberal press....then anything I show exaplaning why its good and is the liberal press. Then that makes anything saying it bad a free speech warrior fighting agianst the scourge of SJW and PC. When really it just two different people with a different opinon

If we take the media comics journalists they all love it - because they have to push the left's agenda or they get fired. Show me one mainstream comics website whose reviewer dislikes Fem-Thor.

Youtube reviewers (where right-leaning critics have been pushed out to) almost exclusively dislike the comic.

But if we ignore BOTH the left-leaning websites and the right-leaning youtubers and just go with the fans on the Thor forum (at Alvaro's lets say) its about 75% negative.

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So I can only go from what I seen on message board. a Lot of people here admist Jane Foster Thor pretty good. Same with other message boards and site im on.  And comment section. Lady thor has a good hook.  If she uses her power she dies. That about heroic sacrifice

If you see any critic ever defending it give me a shout.

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havent read that story and know how it done. But it just one story...and some good stuff can be done with that idea.

Well its just one story that attempted to PREACH to its readers when they just want entertained.

Of course you COULD have a good story about such issues (Civil War showed both sides of an argument) but we know its 100% all one-way traffic left leaning agenda at this point.

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As for critue of miles when he first came out it was a HUGE amount of it. It just people calm down  a bit. But when they talk about SJW character replacing heroes he and ms marvel always included in the list to pump up the number

Well he IS a diversity swopped Spider-man so I can understand Spidey fans getting upset in the first place, a blow that was cushioned because (at that time) Miles wasn't the 616 Spider-man.

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Failing to mention

1)  Miles was an altnerate universe character so didnt replace anyone

He did replace Ultimate Spider-man. But again this is a smokescreen since I didn't raise Miles as an issue.

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2) Captain Marvel wasnt replace..she was Captain Marvel..and she replace another hero

She did initially replace the first Captain Marvel, but no one brought up that point except you.

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But the list of force diversity ruining comics...sound better if you include those two

I'd just include: Fem-Hulk; Fem-Thor; Fem-Hawkeye; Fem-Wolverine etc.

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« Reply #117 on: June 15, 2018, 03:28:13 PM »
Don't have much time tonight. Apologies if I skim a few.

What are some examples of that.

- Attractiveness is taboo: The growing percentage of characters consistently drawn like men - Captain Marvel is probably the biggest culprit of this, but its many characters.

- Heterosexuality is never the answer: There are more LGBT romances in Marvel comics right now than Hetero ones. Not against LGBT romances (actually went to my cousin's gay wedding last year) but that community is about 2% of the western population yet the majority of relationships at Marvel.
- Death to the 'Patriarchy': A direct quote from a recent Thor comic
- Playing the Victim: Fem-Thor being the obvious example
- Lack of Individual Responsibility: RiRi taking over a country, Ms Marvel imprisoning someone for a crime they might commit in the future
- The only good man is the Cuckolded Man: Spidey recently (sleeping on the couch), Thor recently ("Don't touch me unless you want to lose that arm", Dr Strange recently (friend zoned by some unattractive woman he was interested in); Blade recently (turned down by Misty multiple times).
- Self-entitlement >>> Hard work: Multitude of inexperienced heroines who don't need to work hard to succeed - its all just given to them
- In Communist Marvel everyone can be [insert your hero here]: The sheer number of replacement heroes who don't create their own identity.

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What comics is the message the only good man is a cuckold man.

The quicker question would be point out a current alpha male in a Marvel book?

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Was it some Heroes for hire story where Iron fist jerks off while Luke cage bangs his girlfriend. If it netflix Iron fist...Im ok with it...fuck that dude. But if it comics I be shock.

No I don't know what you are referring to there.

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the everyone can be a hero..is not a communist thing.
 

To get specific I mean the sort of 'everybody can be Thor', 'everybody can be Captain America', these characters are not special in any way, 'push'.

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And its not new. Where they say Attractivness is taboo. All the heroes accept for the kids...who are you know kids are still pretty hot.


Obviously I wan't talking about 'the kids' I'm talking about the women who are (almost exclusively) NOT allowed to be sexy.

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And I dont mean IN THE EYE OF THE BOLDER way. I mean fits with your standard defintion of beuty. Lady thor still an very pretty blond.

Lady Thor's figure is well hidden under the armour, but she isn't allowed to be sexy - unless you are turned on by women with big biceps (which she has despite her strength being magical in nature).

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People if there were in real life, would be the most attractive one in the room.

Comics characters are meant to be larger than life, not mundane.

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First off Fifty Shades is girl porn. And most women acknowledge its dumb but enjoy reading it because its fun.


Exactly, it plays to the MOST POPULAR female fantasy of submission. The complete opposite of the Male POWER fantasy you referenced.

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Supergirl,   Hunger Games, Carmen Saniego,  Buffy,  Sarah Conner who seen as one of the most bad ass human in that universe with John as kind of a lil bitch through most of it,

Certainly in Terminator 2 where John was a KID.

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Xena, Wonder Woman, Kim possibke, Sheena. Girl with the dragon tattoo, Nancy drew, Heminon granger. Olivia pope, tons of YA novels

...and from what I have seen of those characters I don't have a problem with any of them. Which is why I didn't mention them.

The problem is not female characters, its Mary Sue characters pushing a left-leaning agenda.

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The thing is your put in a tough spot. Because challenges get change into playing the victim. But if Jane Foster Cancer storyline anymore playing the victim then Say nighthawk aids story line.

...how did that end up for Nighthawk?

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The fist captain Marvel cancer story line,


He actually died.

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Bruce Banner having an abusive father.

I've read hundreds of Hulk stories and I can't recall it coming up.

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Superman slowy dying of sun radiation.

I've read hundreds of Superman stories and I've only seen this mentioned in ONE.

In Fem-Thor its mentioned basically EVERY issue.

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Also it harder to do cool bad ass moment with women without people screaming mary sue. You couldnt do a Sherlock holmes with a woman..because people will bitch i she the biggest cunt in the world.  Which will make Dr Who interesting

Sherlock only gets away with being a Dick because Watson is there to point out he is being a Dick.

As for 'you couldn't do that with a woman' you should watch the final series of the recent BBC Sherlock where that exact thing happens.

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I watch Dr who a lot. Been watching the old ones as well.  A lot of the time the story stops..just for a character to say how AWESOME Dr who is.  Giving him the finest verbal dick sucking in the world. Campainons want to bang him. He the smartest mother fucker in the room, Can scared planets and armies just by the mention of his name. And not affraid to verbally own someone being dumb. He a bit of an asshole at time. Now it be VERY interest now that Dr who a lady and try to do the same shit

You probably haven't been watching much of the recent Dr Who then, he's basically a cuckolded old man upstaged by his much smarter young sidekicks.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Computing+Forever+Dr+Who

Personally I like the idea of a female Dr Who (and I really like the actor playing her sidekick) but I don't like the heavy handed politics and the reasoning behind WHY they are doing this right now.

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As for people who like Lady thor.  Put me a bind. If you say well the THE liberal press....then anything I show exaplaning why its good and is the liberal press. Then that makes anything saying it bad a free speech warrior fighting agianst the scourge of SJW and PC. When really it just two different people with a different opinon

If we take the media comics journalists they all love it - because they have to push the left's agenda or they get fired. Show me one mainstream comics website whose reviewer dislikes Fem-Thor.

Youtube reviewers (where right-leaning critics have been pushed out to) almost exclusively dislike the comic.

But if we ignore BOTH the left-leaning websites and the right-leaning youtubers and just go with the fans on the Thor forum (at Alvaro's lets say) its about 75% negative.

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So I can only go from what I seen on message board. a Lot of people here admist Jane Foster Thor pretty good. Same with other message boards and site im on.  And comment section. Lady thor has a good hook.  If she uses her power she dies. That about heroic sacrifice

If you see any critic ever defending it give me a shout.

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havent read that story and know how it done. But it just one story...and some good stuff can be done with that idea.

Well its just one story that attempted to PREACH to its readers when they just want entertained.

Of course you COULD have a good story about such issues (Civil War showed both sides of an argument) but we know its 100% all one-way traffic left leaning agenda at this point.

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As for critue of miles when he first came out it was a HUGE amount of it. It just people calm down  a bit. But when they talk about SJW character replacing heroes he and ms marvel always included in the list to pump up the number

Well he IS a diversity swopped Spider-man so I can understand Spidey fans getting upset in the first place, a blow that was cushioned because (at that time) Miles wasn't the 616 Spider-man.

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Failing to mention

1)  Miles was an altnerate universe character so didnt replace anyone

He did replace Ultimate Spider-man. But again this is a smokescreen since I didn't raise Miles as an issue.

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2) Captain Marvel wasnt replace..she was Captain Marvel..and she replace another hero

She did initially replace the first Captain Marvel, but no one brought up that point except you.

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But the list of force diversity ruining comics...sound better if you include those two

I'd just include: Fem-Hulk; Fem-Thor; Fem-Hawkeye; Fem-Wolverine etc.

I would be very interested to hear your opinion on NFL kneeling.

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« Reply #118 on: June 15, 2018, 04:20:25 PM »
Don't have much time tonight. Apologies if I skim a few.

What are some examples of that.

- Attractiveness is taboo: The growing percentage of characters consistently drawn like men - Captain Marvel is probably the biggest culprit of this, but its many characters.
- Heterosexuality is never the answer: There are more LGBT romances in Marvel comics right now than Hetero ones. Not against LGBT romances (actually went to my cousin's gay wedding last year) but that community is about 2% of the western population yet the majority of relationships at Marvel.
- Death to the 'Patriarchy': A direct quote from a recent Thor comic
- Playing the Victim: Fem-Thor being the obvious example
- Lack of Individual Responsibility: RiRi taking over a country, Ms Marvel imprisoning someone for a crime they might commit in the future
- The only good man is the Cuckolded Man: Spidey recently (sleeping on the couch), Thor recently ("Don't touch me unless you want to lose that arm", Dr Strange recently (friend zoned by some unattractive woman he was interested in); Blade recently (turned down by Misty multiple times).
- Self-entitlement >>> Hard work: Multitude of inexperienced heroines who don't need to work hard to succeed - its all just given to them
- In Communist Marvel everyone can be [insert your hero here]: The sheer number of replacement heroes who don't create their own identity.




Really there are more lgbt then hetro ones. What are a hetro ones. Are you talking about marriage. Heroes not being married not a lgbt thing. it marvel wanting their character to be bachelors.  One more day was not a liberal agenda

Manly..chick has short hair..not like she swinging a strapon around




She still drawn pretty damm hot. Most of these character still drawn as hot gigantic breasted women

As for cuckhold. nothong you describe is cuckold. It either a couple having a fight. Or a guy getting turn down.  That stuff happen in Spidey comics for decades.  Sure he got women..but he always had trouble love. Saying how am I

I mean now a days it seem "Face it Peter you hit the Jackspot" would be look at this "Female worship" like some guy need to feel lucky being in some red head biitch presence. Jesus how did people make it  through the claremont Xmen years

Sheer number of heroes replaced.  Most of the examples the heroes werent replace. And if they did it was a tempoary story. Did people bitch this much with Bucky was captain America. You say insert heroes here but fail to insert any hero. Nor is that communism. Get not liking a new spidey...but having a black Spidey is not Communism. if you want to call it forcing diversity that one thing.  But calling it communisim is trying to add a political message that not there

yes Captain marvel imprison someone. Wanst seen as a clear cut thing. Other heroes disgreed thus its a CIVIL WAR about it

As for what Alpha character are they depends on what you feel is alpha. if it showing even a moment of weakness and not getting tail from every woman..is beta...then yea your going to have a harder time

Wolverine, Luke cage, Tony Star iron man, Black panther, Daredevil, Captain America, Immortal Hulk, Punisher, Cable.  Thor no 1, All tough bad asses


Captain marvel died, THE UMLTIMATE VICTIM move. Plus so did Jane..heroes come back from  the dead all the time

50 shades is popular...a large group of women..but most know its dumb as shit. And enjoy the cheesy fiction. They know that shit aint real. Because its a fantasy book

Don't have much time tonight. Apologies if I skim a few.


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Supergirl,   Hunger Games, Carmen Saniego,  Buffy,  Sarah Conner who seen as one of the most bad ass human in that universe with John as kind of a lil bitch through most of it,

Certainly in Terminator 2 where John was a KID.

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Xena, Wonder Woman, Kim possibke, Sheena. Girl with the dragon tattoo, Nancy drew, Heminon granger. Olivia pope, tons of YA novels

...and from what I have seen of those characters I don't have a problem with any of them. Which is why I didn't mention them.

The problem is not female characters, its Mary Sue characters pushing a left-leaning agenda.

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The thing is your put in a tough spot. Because challenges get change into playing the victim. But if Jane Foster Cancer storyline anymore playing the victim then Say nighthawk aids story line.

...how did that end up for Nighthawk?

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The fist captain Marvel cancer story line,


He actually died.

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Bruce Banner having an abusive father.

I've read hundreds of Hulk stories and I can't recall it coming up.

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Superman slowy dying of sun radiation.

I've read hundreds of Superman stories and I've only seen this mentioned in ONE.




His father a big part of his hulk backround. It was in the movie. And has been brought up in the comics. Yes The cancer was mention a lot in the thor story..because it was a self contrain story..with a beginning, middle and end...because that was the story

Just like All star superman is a sef contain story

Also John was a bit of a bitch in 3, and the show.  But I bring that up..because all those are example of a female power fantasy.  It just came out before the internet got so horrible.  If Xena came out today it be bitch about.  Its a story of two lesbians, beating the shit out of everyone. One who fucks up the god of war, and then proceeed to kill the other gods..who hercules struggled with. Gives birth to a crise figure

Yea Watsone calls Sherlock a dick every now and then but Sherlocks tends to be right 99 percent of the time..and owns everyone her meets and doesnt like romance. If that was a chick it would be the biggest mary sue ever


As for Spidey..know the blow was not cushion by it being 616. People lost their shit..even though Spidey was still around. As For Fem Hulk. She been around for decades.  It not a sudden thing.  Huk been replace in his book by other peopel...cho, Hercules..always been temporary

So if you say your not talking about Miles, and Ms Marvel

Then the amount of heroes actully being replace is pretty fucking slim.  It still a thor comics. Is was a male thor comic while Lady thor was around. You still had iron man around. And he was replace by Doom without much bitching. Captain America was replace by Bucky...a guy who worked for Actual communist...and it wasnt much bitching.

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« Reply #119 on: June 15, 2018, 11:08:29 PM »
( Note : Have not read all this, am not going to either.)

It's pretty obvious what they have been doing with Carol. It's also obvious it hasn't worked, at least in terms of comics. Her series constantly needs to be rebooted, and sells terribly regardless. It seems like the biggest market for it is people that enjoy shitting on it.

If they want to transition her, then just do it. At least then they can claim to be all in for the Transgender community. As is, they are appealing to almost no one and it is pretty fail all around.

Unless something has changed since I quit, they have done an awful job of making her character at all likeable either. Most of the time she acted like a hot headed idiot, or the office room dick that everyone hates.






















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