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« Reply #240 on: July 27, 2018, 10:39:39 AM »
So he's a hack if he has never disagreed with someone else about what constitutes SJW content. That's a pretty ridiculous definition for a hack.

I've pointed out that on at least two occasions, he's praised the work of creators who openly ally with SJW politics and/or disagree with his opinions. He's also been very complimentary of the past work of Mark Waid, who is probably his biggest opponent in comic books. A hack wouldn't do that.

Yea kind of. I lean liberal but I can point out where liberals being dicks or where they are wrong

We both agree...that people on BOTH sides all not always right. Not being able to point that out..to be is being a bit of a hack

For example if your for freedom of speech no matter what and your go against say the Duck Dyansty guy being fired, or Think Ted Nudget got a right to say what ever he want that good. But if your also ok with say Kathy Griffin being fired...then your kind of a hack. Or if your a liberal who does the same thing in the reverse

Or another instance I probally wouldnt fire Rosane or james gunn. Since in both instance could of rode it out, and they knew about their comments before they hired them. I have a luxury of saying this becuase I dont run a youtube channel. What if no big sjw news in comics happens in the next 3 months. You think he will go "Look like we won guys..welp no news on that front today".  Or will he pick out a small thing or iffy thing and maybe blow it up a few extra proportions

Not just basing this on the shera thing...basiing it on his other videos. Where he said heroes being replace..when they werent that many being replace. Among other things. Now if people think I should see MORE of his videos before I make a judgement. Note I saw more episodes of his show...then he saw of Shera when he made the  "This is a part of liberal againt beuty" statement

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« Reply #241 on: July 27, 2018, 11:58:27 AM »
Do you have any thoughts about D&C praising the work of creators he considers SJWs, who identify as progressive, and who have openly and vociferously repudiated him? Does that affect your opinion of him as a hack?


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« Reply #242 on: July 27, 2018, 07:31:19 PM »
Do you have any thoughts about D&C praising the work of creators he considers SJWs, who identify as progressive, and who have openly and vociferously repudiated him? Does that affect your opinion of him as a hack?

sure give him some credit

basicly again equlivant of saying hey I like China town but Roman a piece of shit. that not saying much or going against the grain. I hate trump but his casino was nice. that not a huge standard for being fair and balance

but when it come up with an issue of if something an SJW agenda he will take the ItS an agenda because that his gimmick. and that a hack because it cant always be case where the anti is right just like they cant always be wrong. it got to be sometime where a short hair girl is an art choice and not part a vast feminazi agenda

but he never takes that stance


going to guess future videos

the cast for the charlies Angel's reboot cast show Hollywood against beauty and is feminist agenda to emasculate men

his review  of the captain movie will be along the lines of COURSE the most powerful hero is a woman who has to save the day after the men failed.  never mind there were women on that team that failed with them

will be happy in the future if I'm wrong. could be but more the likely I wont

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« Reply #243 on: July 29, 2018, 10:44:45 AM »
sure give him some credit

basicly again equlivant of saying hey I like China town but Roman a piece of shit. that not saying much or going against the grain. I hate trump but his casino was nice. that not a huge standard for being fair and balance

but when it come up with an issue of if something an SJW agenda he will take the ItS an agenda because that his gimmick. and that a hack because it cant always be case where the anti is right just like they cant always be wrong. it got to be sometime where a short hair girl is an art choice and not part a vast feminazi agenda

but he never takes that stance

He doesn't take that stance because of how rarely we see Conservative values (or creators) represented in mainstream entertainment today.

As has already been stated though he does often praise creators for good work even if those creators have publicly denounced him.

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going to guess future videos

the cast for the charlies Angel's reboot cast show Hollywood against beauty and is feminist agenda to emasculate men

First I'd heard about it so I checked it out and the more likely stance (Comicsgater's will take) is alongside the Feminist Agenda to undermine and shame beautiful women for using that beauty to make money. The left is anti-attractiveness.

So this one is nothing about emasculation and more about abandoning classical beauty*.

*As with Star Wars, Star Trek, She-Ra, Thundercats Roar, Captain Marvel etc.

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his review  of the captain movie will be along the lines of COURSE the most powerful hero is a woman who has to save the day after the men failed.  never mind there were women on that team that failed with them

I think it sort of depends HOW this gets handled. If Captain Marvel is just a complete Mary Sue then I'd expect the criticism to be very vocal.

Added to which Brie Larson hasn't done herself any favours with certain comments she made recently where she gave a nice big FU to "white men".

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will be happy in the future if I'm wrong. could be but more the likely I wont.

I think you will be right, but the fact that you can even predict these issues arising shows how easy it is to pick out these things.

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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #244 on: October 14, 2018, 10:06:18 PM »
Waid's (new) attorney has filed for an extension in answering Meyer's lawsuit.
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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #245 on: October 15, 2018, 11:37:44 PM »
Late response to Xerxes:

ASM # 789 and 791 look to me like Spider-Man being inferior to Mockingbird in their relationship. The dialogue is pretty bad.
 
Waid's (new) attorney has filed for an extension in answering Meyer's lawsuit.

Doesn't mean anything. In every lawsuit, there's a million requests for extension of time.

Note, Meyer decided to file in federal court, which is generally a bit more pro-defendant than most state courts. But also much stricter in terms of punishing parties who fail to comply with procedural rules. We'll see how this plays out.
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« Reply #246 on: October 16, 2018, 12:40:29 AM »
sure give him some credit

basicly again equlivant of saying hey I like China town but Roman a piece of shit. that not saying much or going against the grain. I hate trump but his casino was nice. that not a huge standard for being fair and balance

but when it come up with an issue of if something an SJW agenda he will take the ItS an agenda because that his gimmick. and that a hack because it cant always be case where the anti is right just like they cant always be wrong. it got to be sometime where a short hair girl is an art choice and not part a vast feminazi agenda

but he never takes that stance

He doesn't take that stance because of how rarely we see Conservative values (or creators) represented in mainstream entertainment today.

As has already been stated though he does often praise creators for good work even if those creators have publicly denounced him.

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going to guess future videos

the cast for the charlies Angel's reboot cast show Hollywood against beauty and is feminist agenda to emasculate men

First I'd heard about it so I checked it out and the more likely stance (Comicsgater's will take) is alongside the Feminist Agenda to undermine and shame beautiful women for using that beauty to make money. The left is anti-attractiveness.

So this one is nothing about emasculation and more about abandoning classical beauty*.

*As with Star Wars, Star Trek, She-Ra, Thundercats Roar, Captain Marvel etc.

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his review  of the captain movie will be along the lines of COURSE the most powerful hero is a woman who has to save the day after the men failed.  never mind there were women on that team that failed with them

I think it sort of depends HOW this gets handled. If Captain Marvel is just a complete Mary Sue then I'd expect the criticism to be very vocal.

Added to which Brie Larson hasn't done herself any favours with certain comments she made recently where she gave a nice big FU to "white men".

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will be happy in the future if I'm wrong. could be but more the likely I wont.

I think you will be right, but the fact that you can even predict these issues arising shows how easy it is to pick out these things.

Well you used star trek as an example. Why they had some hotties in Star Trek...very few were SUPER HOT.  Yea you had Troi, and Seven of nine. But you also had your Janeways, Your crushers..I like Kira..but she not classical beuty that going to pin up walls. This kind of example how everything scene in a political lense now. Since no one at the time was complaing how fuckable they are. If Sisko was out now..it be complaints about "Oh it HAD to be the british imperelist white captain" who killed Sisko family.  And really star Trek was always hippy as fuck anyway. Just wasn't ton of youtube guys to bitch about it. So it been grandfathered in

And again your using She-Ra as an example. Something he nor any of us saw a first episode. Base on a picture

And after seeing the trailer...She look pretty girly with the flowing hair. It not boyish..looks Girly. Looks girly as fucked. Girls are the target because it fucking Shera. And they probally going to love it. They will get the dolls and shit, and probally dress up as her. And any of our daughter will probally look super adorable in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsGMkAWB6lY




as for conservatives value in Media.  Torture Always work. Most action heroes are conservative. They tend to be anti goverment.


Lot of stories about people just needing to get back to the country...where the Real people are. You know Your Doc Hollywood type trope.  Or a Rouge Cop who has to play by his own rules to get the Job done. Because even people like me can Enjoy 24 or even old school stuff like Cobra, and Death wish without getting up an arms about it.

Then your got brukhemiers and Michal bay who stuff is VERY pro millitary. Almost to the point of worship

Slashers can be oddly conservative attimes
Most views on marraige can be conservatives. If its a divorce couple they will get back together

It easy to pick out things if you actilly seeking things out to fit a narrative

That why Nolan Batman..can be seen in different ways politically.

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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #247 on: October 16, 2018, 12:52:04 AM »
Waid's (new) attorney has filed for an extension in answering Meyer's lawsuit.

Doesn't mean anything. In every lawsuit, there's a million requests for extension of time.

I didn't say it meant anything beyond a request for an extension had been filed.

Also, Mark Zaid has said he is still Waid's attorney and a request for pro hac vice admission would be filed by the firm that filed the extension request.
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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #248 on: October 16, 2018, 09:32:18 AM »
Waid's (new) attorney has filed for an extension in answering Meyer's lawsuit.

Doesn't mean anything. In every lawsuit, there's a million requests for extension of time.

I didn't say it meant anything beyond a request for an extension had been filed.

Also, Mark Zaid has said he is still Waid's attorney and a request for pro hac vice admission would be filed by the firm that filed the extension request.

Sorry, didn’t mean to imply that you had. I just wanted to clarify that. The lawsuit is pretty interesting.

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« Reply #249 on: October 20, 2018, 12:30:07 PM »
Well you used star trek as an example. Why they had some hotties in Star Trek...very few were SUPER HOT.


But they were generally feminine and if not overtly feminine they always had episodes that explored their femininity (Tasha Yar character for instance).

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Yea you had Troi, and Seven of nine. But you also had your Janeways, Your crushers..I like Kira..but she not classical beuty that going to pin up walls.


I don't watch Star Trek Discovery so maybe there are some feminine characters on that show to balance out the masculinity of the lead female role...Michael?  ::)

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This kind of example how everything scene in a political lense now. Since no one at the time was complaing how fuckable they are.


No one is complaining about that now either. My point is that the Left doesn't like female attractiveness or femininity, which is why we rarely see it anymore.

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If Sisko was out now..it be complaints about "Oh it HAD to be the british imperelist white captain" who killed Sisko family.  And really star Trek was always hippy as fuck anyway. Just wasn't ton of youtube guys to bitch about it. So it been grandfathered in

If that was the case today you'd probably have the writer of the show virtue signal about how the show takes a stand against colonial oppression and slavery to fellate the Left-wing media...the same way Discovery came out to make a point that Klingons were based on Republicans.

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And again your using She-Ra as an example. Something he nor any of us saw a first episode. Base on a picture

And after seeing the trailer...She look pretty girly with the flowing hair. It not boyish..looks Girly. Looks girly as fucked. Girls are the target because it fucking Shera. And they probally going to love it. They will get the dolls and shit, and probally dress up as her. And any of our daughter will probally look super adorable in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsGMkAWB6lY

Certainly looks better than the original stills (though that jawline is masculine). Show actually looks entertaining enough though - I like how they play up the rivalry between her and her former 'bestie' - good friction opportunities there.

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as for conservatives value in Media.  Torture Always work. Most action heroes are conservative. They tend to be anti goverment.

You don't see many modern action heroes fighting for truth, justice and the American way. That was certainly the case back in the 80's...the height of testosterone.  :D

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Lot of stories about people just needing to get back to the country...where the Real people are. You know Your Doc Hollywood type trope.  Or a Rouge Cop who has to play by his own rules to get the Job done. Because even people like me can Enjoy 24 or even old school stuff like Cobra, and Death wish without getting up an arms about it.

Then your got brukhemiers and Michal bay who stuff is VERY pro millitary. Almost to the point of worship

Michael Bay certainly likes to add the military and attractive women into his movies.

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Slashers can be oddly conservative attimes
Most views on marraige can be conservatives. If its a divorce couple they will get back together

It easy to pick out things if you actilly seeking things out to fit a narrative

That why Nolan Batman..can be seen in different ways politically.

Totally agree.

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« Reply #250 on: October 20, 2018, 12:53:21 PM »
Well you used star trek as an example. Why they had some hotties in Star Trek...very few were SUPER HOT.


But they were generally feminine and if not overtly feminine they always had episodes that explored their femininity (Tasha Yar character for instance).

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Yea you had Troi, and Seven of nine. But you also had your Janeways, Your crushers..I like Kira..but she not classical beuty that going to pin up walls.


I don't watch Star Trek Discovery so maybe there are some feminine characters on that show to balance out the masculinity of the lead female role...Michael?  ::)

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This kind of example how everything scene in a political lense now. Since no one at the time was complaing how fuckable they are.


No one is complaining about that now either. My point is that the Left doesn't like female attractiveness or femininity, which is why we rarely see it anymore.

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If Sisko was out now..it be complaints about "Oh it HAD to be the british imperelist white captain" who killed Sisko family.  And really star Trek was always hippy as fuck anyway. Just wasn't ton of youtube guys to bitch about it. So it been grandfathered in

If that was the case today you'd probably have the writer of the show virtue signal about how the show takes a stand against colonial oppression and slavery to fellate the Left-wing media...the same way Discovery came out to make a point that Klingons were based on Republicans.

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And again your using She-Ra as an example. Something he nor any of us saw a first episode. Base on a picture

And after seeing the trailer...She look pretty girly with the flowing hair. It not boyish..looks Girly. Looks girly as fucked. Girls are the target because it fucking Shera. And they probally going to love it. They will get the dolls and shit, and probally dress up as her. And any of our daughter will probally look super adorable in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsGMkAWB6lY

Certainly looks better than the original stills (though that jawline is masculine). Show actually looks entertaining enough though - I like how they play up the rivalry between her and her former 'bestie' - good friction opportunities there.

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as for conservatives value in Media.  Torture Always work. Most action heroes are conservative. They tend to be anti goverment.

You don't see many modern action heroes fighting for truth, justice and the American way. That was certainly the case back in the 80's...the height of testosterone.  :D

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Lot of stories about people just needing to get back to the country...where the Real people are. You know Your Doc Hollywood type trope.  Or a Rouge Cop who has to play by his own rules to get the Job done. Because even people like me can Enjoy 24 or even old school stuff like Cobra, and Death wish without getting up an arms about it.

Then your got brukhemiers and Michal bay who stuff is VERY pro millitary. Almost to the point of worship

Michael Bay certainly likes to add the military and attractive women into his movies.

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Slashers can be oddly conservative attimes
Most views on marraige can be conservatives. If its a divorce couple they will get back together

It easy to pick out things if you actilly seeking things out to fit a narrative

That why Nolan Batman..can be seen in different ways politically.

Totally agree.

Well it not like Rodenbarry wasnt above Virtue singaling of it own. It just wasnt a name for it yet. It was a VERY left wing show..and some of the points hit you over the head. The episode with the half black half white thing was a bit under nose.  Or the episode..where they were saying you got to cut this cold war shit out.  Or the first interraical kiss. Or episode where Sisko talked about Racism or all the evilness of Humanity stuff

Now that you saw the Trailer of Shera..kind of show maybe freaking out over a Still...saying its a liberal agenda..to take away femnity...maybe him over reacting and trying get clicks. Has he change his stance now that the trailer came out

If you watch discovery..Michale has some femine moments. Their is a romance she involved in with the male character. She also still pretty attractive. And has a pretty girly friend

Also action heroes still pretty ra ra America.  You got all the bruckhemier movies, mile 22,  all the millitarty action movies, Jack Rya. All the action shows on TV. Eli Roth death Wish

Here how it breaks down

sci Fi- Tends to be Liberal

Action- Tends to be right wing.  You need a rouge cop that play by his own rules..because those Damm pencil pushers wont let him DO THE DAMM JOB

Zombies- Everyone Terrible

Now differce is most people accept action movie being that way. Party because a scene where a cop goes

"The cartell...is in that church right now. Only one thing to do (pulls out gun) WAIT FOR BACK UP.
And then calmly negotiate for hours so it will be no violence

"Ok Got you Cortez leader of the Cartel. You going to Answer my Questin"

Corze- Lawyer

"All right can talk to you now. But be Warn..where going through a long..boring legal process. But then you going down. Of course their WILL be appeal...oh yea mother fucker their will be appeals"

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« Reply #251 on: October 21, 2018, 02:21:50 PM »
Well it not like Rodenbarry wasnt above Virtue singaling of it own. It just wasnt a name for it yet. It was a VERY left wing show..and some of the points hit you over the head. The episode with the half black half white thing was a bit under nose.  Or the episode..where they were saying you got to cut this cold war shit out.  Or the first interraical kiss. Or episode where Sisko talked about Racism or all the evilness of Humanity stuff

I agree, however, I think what was considered Left Wing decades ago and what is considered Left Wing today are two different things.

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Now that you saw the Trailer of Shera..kind of show maybe freaking out over a Still...saying its a liberal agenda..to take away femnity...maybe him over reacting and trying get clicks. Has he change his stance now that the trailer came out

There are three elements to this:

1. Was the She-Ra thing exaggerated by Youtubers - 100% yes.
2. Does even her manly jawline amount to anything - not really.
3. But is it another brick in the Feminist wall that is anti-attractiveness/feminity - yes it is

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If you watch discovery..Michale has some femine moments. Their is a romance she involved in with the male character. She also still pretty attractive. And has a pretty girly friend

I always liked the actress from the Walking Dead. but I won't be watching STD because it was sold on a premise of hatred and identity politics.

I'll be fine with the Orville.

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Also action heroes still pretty ra ra America.  You got all the bruckhemier movies, mile 22,  all the millitarty action movies, Jack Rya. All the action shows on TV. Eli Roth death Wish

I'd be interested to hear who you think are the modern (Pro-American) action stars?

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Here how it breaks down

sci Fi- Tends to be Liberal

Action- Tends to be right wing.  You need a rouge cop that play by his own rules..because those Damm pencil pushers wont let him DO THE DAMM JOB

Zombies- Everyone Terrible

Now differce is most people accept action movie being that way. Party because a scene where a cop goes

"The cartell...is in that church right now. Only one thing to do (pulls out gun) WAIT FOR BACK UP.
And then calmly negotiate for hours so it will be no violence

"Ok Got you Cortez leader of the Cartel. You going to Answer my Questin"

Corze- Lawyer

"All right can talk to you now. But be Warn..where going through a long..boring legal process. But then you going down. Of course their WILL be appeal...oh yea mother fucker their will be appeals"

I agree with you action movies/shows are historically right-wing while sci-fi is historically left wing. However it seems to me that current Hollywood is more like:

Sci-fi = Far Left wing: Star Wars, Star Trek, Terminator (I'm guessing from what little we know), Marvel Phase 4 (almost guaranteed), Lucy, Ghostbusters, Ghost In the Shell, Alita (?), Mortal Engines (?)

Action Movies & TV = Left wing: CW Shows, Marvel Netflix Shows, Female lead action movies (Atomic Blonde, Red Sparrow, Tomb Raider, etc.)

As you noted we have Jack Ryan (haven't seen that yet because its on Amazon). We have Bond (consistently under attack by the Left), Gerard Butler (I liked London Has Fallen) and Tom Cruise (I suppose Jack Reacher leans to the right). But things seem as politically lopsided as Hollywood itself - which is understandable I guess. Then again that could just be my own false impressions contrasted against the testosterone of my formative years (the 80s).  ;)

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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #252 on: October 22, 2018, 01:59:57 AM »
1. Was the She-Ra thing exaggerated by Youtubers - 100% yes.
2. Does even her manly jawline amount to anything - not really.
3. But is it another brick in the Feminist wall that is anti-attractiveness/feminity - yes it is

Ok how. We both saw the trailer now. How is this a brick to a feminist wall. All the designs are very cute and girls will love it. Thier all wearing pretty clothing. And Shera has beutifull flowing hair.  It a show for pre teens girls. Going to sale tons of toys and accessories that come with the toys. That is the Agenda. Remember so far we only saw the trailer.  A trailer you yourself said looks entertaining. And builds up a nice rivalry between thier girls. So it not like they just going after men. An anti femniity. This show looks girly as shirt. It like a unicorn and rainbow fucked each other and it produce this

I always liked the actress from the Walking Dead. but I won't be watching STD because it was sold on a premise of hatred and identity politics.

I'll be fine with the Orville.

If your not watching it how can you tell then. Do you think Daredevil is a SJW show now. Because that what youtube commenters like these are saying. So far from the four episode I seen I dont get it.



I agree with you action movies/shows are historically right-wing while sci-fi is historically left wing. However it seems to me that current Hollywood is more like:

Sci-fi = Far Left wing: Star Wars, Star Trek, Terminator (I'm guessing from what little we know), Marvel Phase 4 (almost guaranteed), Lucy, Ghostbusters, Ghost In the Shell, Alita (?), Mortal Engines (?)

Action Movies & TV = Left wing: CW Shows, Marvel Netflix Shows, Female lead action movies (Atomic Blonde, Red Sparrow, Tomb Raider, etc.)

As you noted we have Jack Ryan (haven't seen that yet because its on Amazon). We have Bond (consistently under attack by the Left), Gerard Butler (I liked London Has Fallen) and Tom Cruise (I suppose Jack Reacher leans to the right). But things seem as politically lopsided as Hollywood itself - which is understandable I guess. Then again that could just be my own false impressions contrasted against the testosterone of my formative years (the 80s

What so Left about marvel. Their main guy Iron man..is at the most libertarian. he a gun manufactuer..where the plot of iron man 2 is he didnt want the goverment to decided what weapons he had. It a captalist...super hero

also depends if you consider just having a female lead in an action movie makes it right win. For instance..Peppermint has the same political leaning of Death. white person loses thier family..kills a bunch of brown people to make up for it. Only think different is a main character have tits. Atomic blond basicly Just John Wick..and she not a mary sue since she gets FUCKED up a lot. More damage happen to her then most  action heroes and it politcally leaning is not very left wing. Other then guess she fucks girls. But that more for a men to then anything

Is there anything in the pass 20 years with a female action hero you dont think Left wing

say 20 years because that before The culture war shit. Where you can have CYNTHIA rothrock..little tomboyish girl beating up multiple guys and people could see it as a goofy action movie and not them trying to cuck men. Because I grew up in the same era you have.

I saw
Your charlie Angels, Barb wire, VIP, Xena, BBC Avengers. Dark Angel, Buffy

To your old blackexplotation flicks-  Coffie, Foxy Brown

Leather Weapon could have a butt kicking woman who meets rigs without people losing their shit

And two what I consider an ra ra American Action hero that out now. Well not not All pro America heroes have to be right. Captain American always American is awesome but sometime he on the left and sometimes he on the right.  Nor is Say Arnold character always talking up America but he fits the veins of most testerone action stars. But I will pick out pro American starts that are really lefty. And you would have a hard time saying thier on the liberl side

Movies

First off all the movies we mention.  Not going to include direct to videos movies I seen like the marines movies...because that just seem like list padding

Mark Wallberg plays a lot of time- Mile 22 is an Example
So does The Rock- GI Joe, His Hobbs character
Then it all the war action films like  88 hours, 12 strong, Zero Dark 20, Hacksaw Ridge
Superman I consider pretty pro America. Wont say Wonder Woman because having figure out your stance if you think having a movie with a female action star possible to not be lefits propaganda. Also why Haywire not on the list
Nicky Fury
Captain America - Depends how you view the anti registration act..as right wing control. Or liberla overeach, But he still pretty FUCK yea America
Tom Cruise From mission impossible tends to America is awsome
Most of the  Michale bay- He loves himself some Army
American Assassin and the books

TV Action Heros

Swat
FBI
Blue Bloods
Magnum PI
Valor on CW
Longmire
NCIS
NCIS LA
Hawai 50


All this I am sticking to mostly shit I saw. Havent seen FBI. Also made stuff I know still on air. So no Jag, or 24, or Walker, or cinimax strike back If I expanded to just conservative... The list might to be longer on both movies and TV. Since would included Justified maybe...But Rayland is ra ra America..he just a likes shooting people.  And daredevil consertivatve and relegion comes out good from the 5 episode I saw.  So punish not in there either.

Now even under those multiple critera...I was able to find stuff off the top of my head without using google. Since again saw those. only missing the last 2 season of longmire

Which make me think lot of these blogger who make these complaints dont watch much TV. They may just look for stuff to get pissed

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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #253 on: October 24, 2018, 11:04:03 AM »
Ok how. We both saw the trailer now. How is this a brick to a feminist wall. All the designs are very cute and girls will love it. Thier all wearing pretty clothing. And Shera has beutifull flowing hair.  It a show for pre teens girls. Going to sale tons of toys and accessories that come with the toys. That is the Agenda. Remember so far we only saw the trailer.  A trailer you yourself said looks entertaining. And builds up a nice rivalry between thier girls. So it not like they just going after men. An anti femniity. This show looks girly as shirt. It like a unicorn and rainbow fucked each other and it produce this.

The trailer looks very good (IMO). However, there is no denying She-Ra has a ridiculously manly jawline whereas before she looked feminine.

My point is that individually such a thing is almost irrelevant. But if you repeat it a thousand times it has an impact.

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If your not watching it how can you tell then.


I read the quotes from the writers/producers. ST:D was pushed as SJW - that's enough for me to give it a wide berth.

Captain Marvel could be a cool movie but Brie Larson has pushed her SJW opinions in the media enough to turn me off paying to see it.

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Do you think Daredevil is a SJW show now.


I don't know. I still plan on watching it because I enjoyed the first two series. If it has turned SJW I won't be back for a series 4.

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Because that what youtube commenters like these are saying. So far from the four episode I seen I dont get it.

I haven't watched any of those videos primarily because I don't want any spoilers but also I have been really busy these past few weeks.

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What so Left about marvel. Their main guy Iron man..is at the most libertarian. he a gun manufactuer..where the plot of iron man 2 is he didnt want the goverment to decided what weapons he had. It a captalist...super hero

Agreed. I don't think the Marvel movies have went SJW yet. However, my fear is the MCU is about to go full SJW once Captain Marvel drops.

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also depends if you consider just having a female lead in an action movie makes it right win. For instance..Peppermint has the same political leaning of Death. white person loses thier family..kills a bunch of brown people to make up for it. Only think different is a main character have tits. Atomic blond basicly Just John Wick..and she not a mary sue since she gets FUCKED up a lot. More damage happen to her then most  action heroes and it politcally leaning is not very left wing. Other then guess she fucks girls. But that more for a men to then anything

Atomic Blonde was the first movie I took my current gf to see. It was enjoyable enough and I didn't think the main character was a Mary Sue. While there is an inherent nonsense to a woman beating up men it was reasonably well executed. I remember someone making the point that nothing in the movie would have changed if they had made the lead character a man.

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Is there anything in the pass 20 years with a female action hero you dont think Left wing

Wonder Woman, Kill Bill, original two Tomb Raider movies, various Resident Evil movies (the good ones).

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say 20 years because that before The culture war shit. Where you can have CYNTHIA rothrock..little tomboyish girl beating up multiple guys and people could see it as a goofy action movie and not them trying to cuck men. Because I grew up in the same era you have.

I loved Cynthia Rothrock and while its stretching things to have her beat up gangs of men (in much the same way as its stretching things to have any man beat up gangs of men) she was entertaining and feminine in a time when female action stars were a novelty as opposed to mandatory.

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I saw
Your charlie Angels, Barb wire, VIP, Xena, BBC Avengers. Dark Angel, Buffy

To your old blackexplotation flicks-  Coffie, Foxy Brown

Leather Weapon could have a butt kicking woman who meets rigs without people losing their shit

Lol - Leather Weapon is the porn parody version of Lethal Weapon I take it...? :p

I think the major traits of SJW influence are:

1. Masculinity (in women) promoted, with any feminity/attractiveness (of the actress) downplayed
2. Mary Sue character
3. Relationships (with men at least) not required

...probably also feature a heavy dose of Emotional Validation

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And two what I consider an ra ra American Action hero that out now. Well not not All pro America heroes have to be right. Captain American always American is awesome but sometime he on the left and sometimes he on the right.  Nor is Say Arnold character always talking up America but he fits the veins of most testerone action stars. But I will pick out pro American starts that are really lefty. And you would have a hard time saying thier on the liberl side

I think you touch on one of the key issues right now which is the idea of the Nationalist hero. I think flag-waving is taboo to those pushing a globalist agenda hence we really don't see it from modern action stars and action movies. London Has Fallen is the last I can really think of although I haven't got to see 12 Strong yet. Another element of the decline of Nationalistic heroes is presumably the growing importance of the International Box Office.

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Movies

First off all the movies we mention.  Not going to include direct to videos movies I seen like the marines movies...because that just seem like list padding

Okay.

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Mark Wallberg plays a lot of time- Mile 22 is an Example

Trailer looked good but got really bad reviews.

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So does The Rock- GI Joe, His Hobbs character

The Rock is an interesting case study. Given he is considering running for political office (as a Democrat) we can get an idea of his politics. To me it seems the Rock steers clear of serious gun-toting soldier roles - but that is probably because PG-13 rated action movies generally do considerably better at the box office, so its just a smart business decision.

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Then it all the war action films like  88 hours, 12 strong, Zero Dark 20, Hacksaw Ridge

12 Strong I really want to see. Don't know what 88 hours is? Do you mean Zero-dark Thirty...I'm a bit skeptical of that 'based on true events' movie and its reason for existing; while Hacksaw Ridge (seems an interesting story but hardly a gung-ho action flick).

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Superman I consider pretty pro America.

"Truth, Justice and...all that other stuff" Singerman 2006

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Wont say Wonder Woman because having figure out your stance if you think having a movie with a female action star possible to not be lefits propaganda.

Wonder Woman was a great movie. Feminine, Attractive, not a Mary Sue, relationship with Steve Trevor.

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Also why Haywire not on the list

Haywire, another great action movie with an especially believable female lead.

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Nicky Fury

?

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Captain America - Depends how you view the anti registration act..as right wing control. Or liberla overeach, But he still pretty FUCK yea America

Hmmm.

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Tom Cruise From mission impossible tends to America is awsome

Can't really go along with that given the villains of this series.

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Most of the  Michale bay- He loves himself some Army

He does love a military showcase.

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TV Action Heros

Swat
FBI
Blue Bloods
Magnum PI
Valor on CW
Longmire
NCIS
NCIS LA
Hawai 50

All this I am sticking to mostly shit I saw. Havent seen FBI. Also made stuff I know still on air. So no Jag, or 24, or Walker, or cinimax strike back If I expanded to just conservative... The list might to be longer on both movies and TV. Since would included Justified maybe...But Rayland is ra ra America..he just a likes shooting people.  And daredevil consertivatve and relegion comes out good from the 5 episode I saw.  So punish not in there either.

Now even under those multiple critera...I was able to find stuff off the top of my head without using google. Since again saw those. only missing the last 2 season of longmire

Could be interested in checking out SWAT and Longmire from that list.

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Which make me think lot of these blogger who make these complaints dont watch much TV. They may just look for stuff to get pissed

I think there is certainly always going to be some measure of exaggeration among those with a vested interest in viewcounts.

Thinking more about the business as a whole, I'd say:

1. Nationalistic heroes are far less common today - partially because of the political climate and part because of the importance of the international box office
2. PG-13 action movies are far more common today - because they generally make more money and also women are turned off by excessive violence (the kind you would see in 15 and 18 rated movies)
3. Female (action) leads are far more common today - partially to bring in more of a female audience* and part because of the political climate.

Would you agree/disagree with the above?

* I still don't believe the vast majority of women are interested in (standard) action movies

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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #254 on: October 24, 2018, 11:56:14 AM »
Ok how. We both saw the trailer now. How is this a brick to a feminist wall. All the designs are very cute and girls will love it. Thier all wearing pretty clothing. And Shera has beutifull flowing hair.  It a show for pre teens girls. Going to sale tons of toys and accessories that come with the toys. That is the Agenda. Remember so far we only saw the trailer.  A trailer you yourself said looks entertaining. And builds up a nice rivalry between thier girls. So it not like they just going after men. An anti femniity. This show looks girly as shirt. It like a unicorn and rainbow fucked each other and it produce this.

The trailer looks very good (IMO). However, there is no denying She-Ra has a ridiculously manly jawline whereas before she looked feminine.

My point is that individually such a thing is almost irrelevant. But if you repeat it a thousand times it has an impact.

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If your not watching it how can you tell then.


I read the quotes from the writers/producers. ST:D was pushed as SJW - that's enough for me to give it a wide berth.

Captain Marvel could be a cool movie but Brie Larson has pushed her SJW opinions in the media enough to turn me off paying to see it.

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Do you think Daredevil is a SJW show now.


I don't know. I still plan on watching it because I enjoyed the first two series. If it has turned SJW I won't be back for a series 4.

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Because that what youtube commenters like these are saying. So far from the four episode I seen I dont get it.

I haven't watched any of those videos primarily because I don't want any spoilers but also I have been really busy these past few weeks.

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What so Left about marvel. Their main guy Iron man..is at the most libertarian. he a gun manufactuer..where the plot of iron man 2 is he didnt want the goverment to decided what weapons he had. It a captalist...super hero

Agreed. I don't think the Marvel movies have went SJW yet. However, my fear is the MCU is about to go full SJW once Captain Marvel drops.

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also depends if you consider just having a female lead in an action movie makes it right win. For instance..Peppermint has the same political leaning of Death. white person loses thier family..kills a bunch of brown people to make up for it. Only think different is a main character have tits. Atomic blond basicly Just John Wick..and she not a mary sue since she gets FUCKED up a lot. More damage happen to her then most  action heroes and it politcally leaning is not very left wing. Other then guess she fucks girls. But that more for a men to then anything

Atomic Blonde was the first movie I took my current gf to see. It was enjoyable enough and I didn't think the main character was a Mary Sue. While there is an inherent nonsense to a woman beating up men it was reasonably well executed. I remember someone making the point that nothing in the movie would have changed if they had made the lead character a man.

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Is there anything in the pass 20 years with a female action hero you dont think Left wing

Wonder Woman, Kill Bill, original two Tomb Raider movies, various Resident Evil movies (the good ones).

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say 20 years because that before The culture war shit. Where you can have CYNTHIA rothrock..little tomboyish girl beating up multiple guys and people could see it as a goofy action movie and not them trying to cuck men. Because I grew up in the same era you have.

I loved Cynthia Rothrock and while its stretching things to have her beat up gangs of men (in much the same way as its stretching things to have any man beat up gangs of men) she was entertaining and feminine in a time when female action stars were a novelty as opposed to mandatory.

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I saw
Your charlie Angels, Barb wire, VIP, Xena, BBC Avengers. Dark Angel, Buffy

To your old blackexplotation flicks-  Coffie, Foxy Brown

Leather Weapon could have a butt kicking woman who meets rigs without people losing their shit

Lol - Leather Weapon is the porn parody version of Lethal Weapon I take it...? :p

I think the major traits of SJW influence are:

1. Masculinity (in women) promoted, with any feminity/attractiveness (of the actress) downplayed
2. Mary Sue character
3. Relationships (with men at least) not required

...probably also feature a heavy dose of Emotional Validation

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And two what I consider an ra ra American Action hero that out now. Well not not All pro America heroes have to be right. Captain American always American is awesome but sometime he on the left and sometimes he on the right.  Nor is Say Arnold character always talking up America but he fits the veins of most testerone action stars. But I will pick out pro American starts that are really lefty. And you would have a hard time saying thier on the liberl side

I think you touch on one of the key issues right now which is the idea of the Nationalist hero. I think flag-waving is taboo to those pushing a globalist agenda hence we really don't see it from modern action stars and action movies. London Has Fallen is the last I can really think of although I haven't got to see 12 Strong yet. Another element of the decline of Nationalistic heroes is presumably the growing importance of the International Box Office.

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Movies

First off all the movies we mention.  Not going to include direct to videos movies I seen like the marines movies...because that just seem like list padding

Okay.

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Mark Wallberg plays a lot of time- Mile 22 is an Example

Trailer looked good but got really bad reviews.

Quote
So does The Rock- GI Joe, His Hobbs character

The Rock is an interesting case study. Given he is considering running for political office (as a Democrat) we can get an idea of his politics. To me it seems the Rock steers clear of serious gun-toting soldier roles - but that is probably because PG-13 rated action movies generally do considerably better at the box office, so its just a smart business decision.

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Then it all the war action films like  88 hours, 12 strong, Zero Dark 20, Hacksaw Ridge

12 Strong I really want to see. Don't know what 88 hours is? Do you mean Zero-dark Thirty...I'm a bit skeptical of that 'based on true events' movie and its reason for existing; while Hacksaw Ridge (seems an interesting story but hardly a gung-ho action flick).

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Superman I consider pretty pro America.

"Truth, Justice and...all that other stuff" Singerman 2006

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Wont say Wonder Woman because having figure out your stance if you think having a movie with a female action star possible to not be lefits propaganda.

Wonder Woman was a great movie. Feminine, Attractive, not a Mary Sue, relationship with Steve Trevor.

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Also why Haywire not on the list

Haywire, another great action movie with an especially believable female lead.

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Nicky Fury

?

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Captain America - Depends how you view the anti registration act..as right wing control. Or liberla overeach, But he still pretty FUCK yea America

Hmmm.

Quote
Tom Cruise From mission impossible tends to America is awsome

Can't really go along with that given the villains of this series.

Quote
Most of the  Michale bay- He loves himself some Army

He does love a military showcase.

Quote
TV Action Heros

Swat
FBI
Blue Bloods
Magnum PI
Valor on CW
Longmire
NCIS
NCIS LA
Hawai 50

All this I am sticking to mostly shit I saw. Havent seen FBI. Also made stuff I know still on air. So no Jag, or 24, or Walker, or cinimax strike back If I expanded to just conservative... The list might to be longer on both movies and TV. Since would included Justified maybe...But Rayland is ra ra America..he just a likes shooting people.  And daredevil consertivatve and relegion comes out good from the 5 episode I saw.  So punish not in there either.

Now even under those multiple critera...I was able to find stuff off the top of my head without using google. Since again saw those. only missing the last 2 season of longmire

Could be interested in checking out SWAT and Longmire from that list.

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Which make me think lot of these blogger who make these complaints dont watch much TV. They may just look for stuff to get pissed

I think there is certainly always going to be some measure of exaggeration among those with a vested interest in viewcounts.

Thinking more about the business as a whole, I'd say:

1. Nationalistic heroes are far less common today - partially because of the political climate and part because of the importance of the international box office
2. PG-13 action movies are far more common today - because they generally make more money and also women are turned off by excessive violence (the kind you would see in 15 and 18 rated movies)
3. Female (action) leads are far more common today - partially to bring in more of a female audience* and part because of the political climate.

Would you agree/disagree with the above?

* I still don't believe the vast majority of women are interested in (standard) action movies

So basicly your admiting it nothing to the Shera thing. But arguing well If you put all these connection together..it makes it agenda. Yea if you LOOK for it. And an exagerate it. And thier confirmation bias. Since their going in assuming it a feminis Agenda..when it very little to show. it like people obssessed with the Number 23. Sure they can get a long list of connection

Or take Marvel. You yourself Said marvel hasnt been SJW. Even though you included in your list of examples. So far you havent argued there anything in the trailer that really SJW.  But because of a some comments the actress made..your arguing not just Captain Marvel will be a SJW anti man thing...but the whole Disney Marvel francise going to. And really that seem like a stretch. And  when people do that..they go into the movie looking for it. Which creates confirmation bias

PG13 is not just about chicks. It about younger people. They make more money that way. A father will take his son or family to see a PG13 marvel movie more often then they will go to see Logan or Deadpool. And by deadpool actully does pretty well with female audiences. So does a lot of horror movies. Its a money thing. Disney doesnt want to make just some of the money..they want to make all the money. And in a time where the movies so expensive where a 600 million dollar movie can still be a failure..you want most of the money. And past movies werent as Blood soaked as people think. We had more R rated movies. But that because we didnt have a PG13. Which made PG movie more intense and R rated movies less extreme.  Halloween didnt have a lot of gore during the first movie. Even Texas Chainswa masscare..which had both the word Chainsaw and Massacre actully wasnt nearly as gory as people imagine. It was applied. The first Rambo vs the 4th tottaly different movies when it comes to gore.  Even the later Rambo movies before 4. They killed a lot in movie but it wasnt this Geyser of blood from four. Not ever movie was a the wild bunch. When they talking about man movies used to be bloody and manly. They basicly talking about the 80's and kind of ignoring a lot of action cinema.



Well if the decline of the national hero is the international box office. That not really a liberal Sjw thing. That again a money thing. If.

As for Atomic blond being a guy wouldnt change thing. Not sure about that. But even if that was true. The book its base on it was a female character. It be more force if they made her a guy.  If the actress want her to do action movie..why shouldnt she seek out one if they give her one. As for realtionship stuff. That been part of story telling..the main character having a love interest for decades. Reather your male or Female. Even the most maniliest of movies Total recall had a realtionship. Same with James Bond from Russia with Love.

Yes A female beating up multiple guys may be silly. So is a guy didnt it..but people dont seem to lose thier shit over that. Action movies can be silly male or female. Character rarely get fatigure fighting, The bad guys cant shoot, A hero has infinet bullet and can take all sorts of flesh wounds.  Punisher and Jack Baurer basicly has superhero healing factor. The rock is pretty much the thing in the fast and furious. It weird to draw the line on a chick who suspose to know some crazy out thier kung beating up a guy

It basicly saying

"Wow I was enjoying the movie where the talking racoon and Sassy tree man was fighting that giant purple dildo man...who can snapped all of existence away with his finger. But then a woman beat up a few men and that totally took me out of it"