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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #150 on: June 17, 2018, 02:01:33 PM »
While we’re at it...

The titles for Iceman, America Chavez, Mockingbird, Captain Marvel, Hulk (with She-Hulk) and Silk weren’t cancelled because fans are hateful bigots afraid of change. It’s because they were FUCKING AWFUL.

Readers like these characters. Or can like them. It’s the creators. Marvel keeps hiring creators - most of whom have little to no experience in the comic book field - who think their job is to tell stories based on identity politics instead of superhero adventures. People don’t want to read a superhero title where 80% of the comic is Iceman struggling to write the perfect Grindr profile. It’s fucking boring. America Chavez sitting through a gender studies class is fucking boring. These are supposed to be adventure stories. If there were a Spider-Man title where the majority of the story dealt with him dealing with his love life I’d drop that shit too.

Then, when sales tank, Marvel cancels the series and reboots it... with the same creative teams, who blame their shitty sales on the mongoloid fans. Fuck that.

Of course you can insert social issues into stories. Claremont did it back in the day, and Priest did it in his recent JLA run. But it was an accent, the icing on the cake. It didn’t become the main plot.


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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #151 on: June 17, 2018, 02:22:43 PM »
But there the thing. Most of Marvel comics...at the time were kind of shitting the bed. Miniority issues or not.

There been moves to broaden the landscape of charactere more. BIG moves...and most of them fail...but out of that failure you get a few people that survive and stay around for a while. Been the cycle of comics. Most new character fail. They just just do. But out of that failure come some ones that going to stay.  It seem Miles, Ms marvel, Spider Gwen..probally going to be around for a while..since they got a fan base.  I mean Silk wasnt htiting big number neither was the book Solo. But when that fails it just a shitty book that fails.

Marvel fucked up and  blame it on  "well guess people dont like minorities in there books"

Which cause multiple sides to Jump on that with what ever angenda they want. Which suck...because it make ever book that has a character that not a white male...hold to much on it shoulder...that they can't really hold. Its like being the first black guy on Jepordy where they like "Shit if I fuck up does that mean I be the last black guy on Jepordy"



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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #152 on: June 17, 2018, 02:32:12 PM »
These aren’t “minority issues.” These are issues with creators with little to no experience in superhero comics not writing the adventure stories they were hired to write, and that readers wanted.

Miles Morales and Ms. Marvel are going to be around for a while because their creative teams wrote superhero adventure stories.


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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #153 on: June 17, 2018, 02:53:33 PM »
These aren’t “minority issues.” These are issues with creators with little to no experience in superhero comics not writing the adventure stories they were hired to write, and that readers wanted.

Miles Morales and Ms. Marvel are going to be around for a while because their creative teams wrote superhero adventure stories.


I agree

just saying it not as much a fault at forcing a liberal agenda as people making it out to seem. Nor is it readers a bunch o racist. Since a lot of run of mill regular white protaganist books failed to.  Both sides taking what the want out of the issue, All these think peices on the right or Left getting it wrong. It just thier voices are louder

Think it was a combo of bad writers, and multiple events. Like the Jane Foster book actully sold pretty well because of the art was kind of stunning, and the writing was good


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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #154 on: June 18, 2018, 08:58:28 AM »
She Hulk was ALWAYS going to be called She Hulk again as soon as Hulk came back from the dead. Which he ALWAYS was going to.
 

The point was that they purposefully called She-Hulk "Hulk" because of their far left politics. Just like RiRi's comic is "IronMan". X-23's comic is "Wolverine". Kate Bishop's comic is "Hawkeye". Jane-Thor's comic is still "Thor".

Do you see a trend?

Yes characters will comeback (in many cases because of sales) but these Diversity Swaps are positioned to damage and dilute what the original characters stood for.

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The idea one story Where a comic cube turns Captain America Evil..only for him to come back and saves the entire fucking universe somehow ruin his legacy..mean you may of not seen shit like this

It certainly damages his legacy.

Its akin to a smear campaign. Its like Xerxes repeating over and over about how insecure I am about women-lead titles in comics (and missing that I already BUY multiple such books).

Its like various scumbags on the internet repeating over and over how Ethan Van Sciver was (supposedly) a Nazi, its just a nonsensical smear tactic.

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Its Age of Apploclyps basicly. Or When Spiderman got tempoary killed and taken over by Doc Ock for a long time.

That was some body-swop story shenanigans (where Doc's mind was in Peter's Body IIRC ), not a politically motivated Diversity Swap.

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Meme involve over time. Sure. But doesnt change the fact that Saying adding new character minorities even is COMMUNISM...is silly. That new meme your trying to make happen not going to happen anymore then fetch is.  Now you could of just said "Hey there not many force minority character"  Would of disagreed with the severity of that..sure. But you had to make it communism..to sale the idea of a far left Agenda. That not communism anymore Then stories about Santa Clause is Socialism

Its pushing their left leaning agenda at Marvel that will inexorably take us down that path.

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Ok you have a few gay relationships Vs, all the straight one that been around for a while

Maybe things will quieten down after a while, I could just be over-reacting on this aspect of things, it just seems like a very lopsided push.

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Luke and Jessica, Mr Fantasi and Sue, Spidemran and Spider Gwen,  Cable and Kitty, Daredevil various relantinship, Black bolt and Medusa, Vison and Scarlet witch, Rouge and Cable

Few of which have been relevant these past decade.

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And that assuming the few gay relationship going to remaind full time. And wont be a rotating set of love interested like every hero has

Possibly. I'd say the market will eventually have its say. But Marvel just relaunch failed titles over and over again.

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Well if if Females no longer alowed to be sexy in marvel.  It is a fact as you say. I mean LOOK at this ugly bitch



Black window
Storm
Domino
Jean Grey
Most of the X women
Scarlet Witch

Did I or did I not say they'll occasionally sneak in one attractive woman here or there.

You posted a nice pic of Carol in a previous post and then Imperial showed you a DOZEN pictures of a man-like Carol drawn by multiple different artists.

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All drawn to be hot as fuck. One chick gets a short hair cut..and your saying there all manly. Yes in that one issue She Hulk drawn over muscles. It a bad cover. But In most of her apperance through the whole so called SJW pushed she was drawn as attactive. So the whole "Marvle cant have attrative women" Boils down to two chicks who may looked butch. One who always been a bodybuilder type

Its FAR too many examples to be a coincidence.

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As For bringing up Manga. You say where talking about comics. But your the one who brought up 50 shades. Pointing out there a market for strong female character. Women and Girls like to read them. MARVEL likes to get that money.  They not trying to CUCK anyone..or pushed a Cummist agena.

I brought up 50 shades to disprove your point about women liking Power Fantasy (which most western superhero comics are).

I've never said women can't enjoy comics (or manga), but they don't have the same desire for power fantasy. Therefore when Marvel write their books in a style that 'might' interest women that aspect of the stories is sidelined or abandoned altogether. Recent Marvel comics seem to have adopted a 'SITCOM style' to their books where events don't matter and don't have any gravitas behind them.

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Yes 10 spideman delutes it. But they aways been multiple spider people running around. SPIDER WOMAN for instnace not new. There was even a team of spider people called the web slingers. It doesn delute it anymore then multiple flashes, multiple Robins, A BATWOMAN, having multiple Green lanterns, multiple supermen,

I would agree with you that multiple Flash's does dilute things (if they are each called Flash rather than Flash and Kid Flash). As far as I know only one person is called Batman...but we have two Spider-men, three Hulks, two Wolverines, Two Thors, three Ironmen, two Hawkeyes etc.

Do you see a Trend?

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It just those happen to be during the time where we didnt have this SJW VS ANTI SJW bitch fight that been going on in comics. You could HAVE a xena.  That not a red herring. No your not hating on it. But if she came around now people totaly would be

I don't know what point you are trying to make here. We didn't have SJW vs. Anti-SJW before because this political schism didn't exist before. As MTL76 pointed out we have had diverse characters for DECADES and everyone was fine with it.

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« Reply #155 on: June 18, 2018, 12:17:19 PM »
.. Keep pretending that anyone is fooled by your convenient individualism.

Are you saying individuals do not have responsibility for their own actions?

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You take issue in any way whatsoever to people refusing to salute symbols of continued state sponsored terrorism and murder.

A 'dirty cop' is no more 'state sponsored' than a criminal on welfare.

Individuals are committing these crimes, its not state sponsored you buffoon. Most black people shot by police are actually shot by Black Policemen (and women presumably) - are you saying THEY are all racist too!? Good grief get a grip on reality.

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That says everything any sane person needs to know about your pathetic character.

It says that I condemn the taking of all innocent lives regardless of perpetrator...but seemingly you want to infer a handful of murders each year are far worse (and thus DEMAND protests and rioting) than THOUSANDS of murders each year.

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How the fuck to do you know..?

I have eyes.

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Taking a knee is exactly what it is, exclusively. You bringing in an entirely different subject is only proof that you seek to deflect for the purposes  ignore the subect at hand-- because it is within your interest to do so.

I'm specifically asking why do they protest a HANDFUL of murders each year BUT IGNORE (AND GLORIFY) THOUSANDS of murders caused thru criminality and gang violence.

That to me seems hypocritical...although in reality its the leftists attempts to undermine Authority I suspect.

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You support state sponsored terrorism against the black race, and you aren't fooling me.

Each year more white people are killed by police in America than Black people is that then State Sponsored terrorism against the white race?  ::)

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PROVE your stupid piece of shit premise than anyone condemning one crime is INHERENTLY ignoring another.

Right now.

Are you saying thousands of black people (many innocent victims) are NOT killed each year by gang violence and criminality?

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Then, PROVE your stupid piece of shit premise that agents of the state committing murder and largely getting away with it for centuries to this very second against certain population groups  is equivalent to those civilians who are themselves disproportionately targeted by the state ALSO committing crimes against other citizens *also* disproportionately targeted by the state.

"Getting away with it for centuries"...I think its obvious you are still dwelling on the past.

Crime statistics show that in the US Black people are 6-7 times more likely to commit violent crimes. THAT's why they are disproportionately targeted by police in things like stop & search, etc.

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Apparently white men are so insecure they can even vote for a black President.

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Yes, a  coward who aids and abets the global economic war and terrorist campaign against Black people globally, including reintroducing slavery on Blacks, is exactly the type of dishonorable weakling White America would allow to be in office to serve their racist interests.

Well we can debate the merits and failures of Obama another time, but I think my point highlights the nonsense of your earlier comments - although I agree that men (in general) are becoming more effeminate because of the leftist media, but that's an attack on all men, not just white men - although you could argue white men have a good headstart in that department.

I'm interested as to where you are saying Slavery is being reintroduced? Of course certain countries in Africa and the Middle East still have slavery, as opposed to the West which did away with it well over a century ago.
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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #156 on: June 18, 2018, 12:32:11 PM »
As for Why DC dont seem to get as much shit

They don't push their politics to anywhere near the same extent. That's why.

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Certain Replacment been grand fathered in. It was done before We had SJW, or Anti SJW making click bait. You had black green lanthern..an hawkgirl. And then they went...you know what we going to make them THE GREEN LANTERN..and the hawk person in our main show. And you know what Hal Jordan not going to be even brought up. And we going to have an interracial relationship. And where going to tossed in a Joke with the 40's era JSA saying  John one of the good ones. Also hawkgirl might be shown as one of the most powerfull people fighter on the team..try not to lose your shit internet. Was during the time you could do that.

Green Lanterns are 'Space Cops'. Its not an individual, its a profession. Personally I always liked John Stewart more than Hal, I just think it was because he had more depth - big fan of Cosmic Odyssey and the Justice League animated series.

Hawk Girl is (AFAIK) from a race of Hawk 'People' (Thanagarians or somesuch).

Spider-man is an INDIVIDUAL, same with Thor, Wolverine, Hawkeye and Hulk.

You could argue Captain America is a title though I suppose.

But the big thing is John Stewart was a good character and DC didn't take a shit on Hal's face just to introduce John.

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But some of them got shit at the time. Firestorm, and Batwoman, asian Atom, Female Question who was a lesbian. But they baislcy just let the shit fly, and rode it out. Till eventully people calm the fuck down. Hell we had a specter who was a black guy for a while

Yes DECADES AGO having a Black Male lead in a comic was SHOCKING because we hadn't seen it before (which actually gave it another level of cool). But not any more. Same thing with gay characters.

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And DC has a long history of heroes passing the torch.  I mean Wally was the main flash for a long ass, time even to the point they had kids. DC character have kids, familes..hair gray..so it agian easier to past shit down

You can organically change characters within the story (Rhodey taking over for Tony for a year for example) that don't involve the humiliation of the original.

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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #157 on: June 18, 2018, 02:37:17 PM »
One thing I can't stand is that if anyone has a legitimate criticism of something, they are automatically labeled a racist, sexist, or homophobic.

I read an article about the white privileged male fan base for Star Wars being upset over the casting and new direction of the franchise. But every example they gave of the harassment wasn't directed at their gender or race (at least in the article I read). One was about Daisy posting something about gun control, so obviously the poster was sexist. The biggest complaint I have with the new Star Wars is that Rey is a bit of a Mary Sue and that they seem to be tearing down everything that came before.


As far as making men more effeminate, that's something else that I hate and has been happening for a long time especially in tv. Just look at the male leads in most sitcoms, especially Everybody Loves Raymond. They have no spine and are used for comedic purposes.


I've been wanting to read Thor for a while. I liked the initial arc by Aaron with Gorr the god butcher but fell out from reading during the Malekith story line. I decided to just find a jumping on point and go for it so I started with issue 700. I don't know if I was being influenced by reading this thread but I can definitely see the points being made.

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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #158 on: June 18, 2018, 07:40:12 PM »
Jelly, do you think all white people are racist?
Adult Swim handled this correctly.

Xerxes in regards to Dan Harmon NOT being fired when his baby raping parody video was exposed.

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Adult Swim handled this correctly.

Xerxes in regards to Dan Harmon NOT being fired when his baby raping parody video was exposed.

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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #160 on: June 28, 2018, 04:21:16 PM »
Sucks to be that guy.

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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #161 on: June 29, 2018, 12:22:36 AM »
hey..HEY!

Everybody just relax.

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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #162 on: July 03, 2018, 08:56:34 AM »
hey..HEY!

Everybody just relax.

HEY!...  HEY!... This is library.

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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #163 on: July 18, 2018, 11:16:14 AM »
D&C is now going after the creator of the new She-Ra cartoon for not giving her tig ol bitties. There is no trait more important for a cartoon aimed at 4 to 12 year old girls than the size of her tits.

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Re: Comicsgate
« Reply #164 on: July 18, 2018, 09:26:35 PM »
D&C is now going after the creator of the new She-Ra cartoon for not giving her tig ol bitties. There is no trait more important for a cartoon aimed at 4 to 12 year old girls than the size of her tits.

What was wrong with the original She-Ra being a classically beautiful woman in a cartoon aimed at 4-12 year old girls?