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Re: Superman vs Juggernaut in a slugfest
« Reply #75 on: March 13, 2018, 10:44:42 PM »
We did see Superman "not holding back" against a rage-restricted Hulk though, and it took "everything [he] had" to barely put that Hulk down. He also received a swollen eye in that fight, and said his jaw was still aching from the Hulk's blows two issues later.

There is no indication that Marz had rage restrictions on Hulk in the fight.

But there are indications that the writers knew of the Hulk's situation at the time, since Betty's appearance was consistent with the look she had during the Savage Banner phase, and the Hulk's then-current alias of "Bob Danner" was acknowledged in his mini bio printed in the first issue. Plus, y'know, the writer of the Hulk's book was co-writing the crossover.


All circumstantial proof at best. I could do the same for any character appearing in the mini.
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Betty's appearance before the Savage Banner phase.




Betty's appearance during the Savage Banner phase.




Betty's appearance in DC VS. MARVEL.




After the destruction of the Pantheon -- the point at which the Savage Banner phase began -- the Hulk and his wife went by the aliases Bob and Betty Danner, in an attempt to keep a low profile.




Hulk's Bob Danner alias is acknowledged in DC VS. MARVEL #1.



Not a single proof that Hulk was actually rage impaired by Marz.

This is by PAD, not Marz.
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Of course, I must remember I'm arguing with a poster who once claimed that DC VS. MARVEL was set during FINAL NIGHT. Do you still believe that, out of curiousity? :))


That's besides the point.
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For reference, this is how DC Hawaii looked during FINAL NIGHT...




... and this is how it looked in DC VS. MARVEL.



Your point being?
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Juggernaut was put on his knees by a mindcontrolled Hulk in two punches.

Yes, a mind-controlled Hulk who was being enraged by visions of his abusive father.

https://imgur.com/a/WbeHk


And?
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And at that time, the Hulk had no problem getting stronger with anger.




During the Savage Banner phase though, getting angry made him weaker.



https://imgur.com/a/WY3OB


You need to prove that it was in effect in DC vs Marvel and Marz took it into effect.

Go ahead and prove it.
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Superman would destroy him if he goes all out. Juggernaut couldn't even take Diana and was koed by Mantis colliding with him.

And Superman was manhandled by Venom, and KOed by Mantis and Kalibak.


Superman still koed Thor and Hulk, Kalibak manhandled Thor (Kalibak needed a sucker shot) and owns Mantis like nothing.

But yeah, go around with Venom showing. You're showing your true colors now.
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Juggernaut was apparently knocked for a loop by Kyle in JLA/Avengers.
Here it is.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UCSUQn9N8Ng/VTDzKpXBGfI/AAAAAAAKkec/4x_8X2aCdcg/s1600/p8_30%2Bcopy.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--6iLV7_2t7g/VTDzK7znZuI/AAAAAAAKkeY/ze4AoXAXoZw/s1600/p8_31%2Bcopy.jpg

Haha. Kyle blasts the ground out from beneath Juggy's feet, with the aid of Tony Stark weapon designs which made his blasts more powerful than normal, and you're trying to pass that off as a poor showing for Juggy? Get outta here.
That was ground beneath their feet and Juggernaut wasn't harmed at all, eh?

Yeah marvel zombie, whatever you say.

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Re: Superman vs Juggernaut in a slugfest
« Reply #76 on: March 14, 2018, 12:02:41 AM »
Cain was Kod  by  Diana and Mantis. But Superman  can't beat him. Lol.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2018, 12:09:13 AM by Panthergod »

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Re: Superman vs Juggernaut in a slugfest
« Reply #77 on: March 14, 2018, 12:10:24 AM »
Juggernaut has more showings of him being hurt by things than not being hurt by things

Superman usually always

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Re: Superman vs Juggernaut in a slugfest
« Reply #78 on: March 14, 2018, 01:46:53 AM »
Speaking of Venom


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Re: Superman vs Juggernaut in a slugfest
« Reply #79 on: March 14, 2018, 01:50:06 AM »
Here is the explanation for why Hulk lost to Superman by hulk editors in hulk 443.



"Superman thinks like a warrior and Hulk thinks like a scientist".

In Hulk 444, it's mentioned again where Superman is referred as the Mike Tyson of Superheroes.



What do they know about Hulk, huh? That pesky savage banner weakness, eluding marvel editors for years.

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Re: Superman vs Juggernaut in a slugfest
« Reply #80 on: March 14, 2018, 01:57:11 AM »
Bbbbbut thats not official as official responses by editors have no bearing to their statement unless the story depicts it... unless it's Fandral.

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Re: Superman vs Juggernaut in a slugfest
« Reply #81 on: March 14, 2018, 02:08:54 AM »
The letters columns are non canon because they can't be read by marvel characters.

The editors are non canon too.

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Re: Superman vs Juggernaut in a slugfest
« Reply #82 on: March 14, 2018, 02:24:05 AM »
Speaking of Venom


Full fight is even more hilarious.



Juggernaut literally runs away because he was getting his ass kicked.

Some unstoppable guy right there.

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Re: Superman vs Juggernaut in a slugfest
« Reply #83 on: March 14, 2018, 06:47:57 AM »
Cain was Kod  by  Diana and Mantis. But Superman  can't beat him. Lol.
He was Kod before he hit Mantis. His closed eyes and limp body was indicative of that. She simply used him to No Mantis because Spiderman couldn't handle his guy.

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Re: Superman vs Juggernaut in a slugfest
« Reply #84 on: March 14, 2018, 07:41:57 AM »
POM says Juggernaut wins

Juggernaut KO's Superman in 9 punches
Superman KO's Juggernaut in 13 punches
Wonder Woman Kod Juggs in about 4 hits. Ur math is off.

Either some writers don't understand Juggernaut's Force Field* or it must have been nullified/switched off for that fight.

*Or anything about Juggernaut going by the Venom example posted.

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Re: Superman vs Juggernaut in a slugfest
« Reply #85 on: March 14, 2018, 10:02:37 AM »
Bbbbbut thats not official as official responses by editors have no bearing to their statement unless the story depicts it... unless it's Fandral.
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Re: Superman vs Juggernaut in a slugfest
« Reply #87 on: March 14, 2018, 10:30:02 PM »
So it's settled for all the Hype given to Juggs by some posters here, Superman beats the shit out of him.

Case closed.

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Re: Superman vs Juggernaut in a slugfest
« Reply #88 on: March 15, 2018, 12:51:57 PM »
So it's settled for all the Hype given to Juggs by some posters here, Superman beats the shit out of him.

Case closed.

Only if they forget about his force field as they seemingly did with the Wonder Woman fight.

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Re: Superman vs Juggernaut in a slugfest
« Reply #89 on: March 15, 2018, 12:57:57 PM »
This is a slugfest idiot.