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« Reply #75 on: February 25, 2018, 10:09:14 PM »
But seriously, I imagine Jelly laughing way too loud and saying “YES” at Shuri’s colonizer line, making things very awkward for his mom and dad in the kids’ 10:30am showing.
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« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2018, 10:49:38 PM »
I’m waiting to see it until this t-shirt I bought arrives:

https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/2371146-killmonger-was-right


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« Reply #77 on: February 25, 2018, 10:58:43 PM »
Oh, and did you all make sure to ask your black friends about when it was okay for you to watch this?

Does Jelly have any friends?

Fixed that for you.

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« Reply #78 on: February 26, 2018, 12:31:21 AM »
Oh, and did you all make sure to ask your black friends about when it was okay for you to watch this?

Does Jelly have any black friends?


It's hard to tell...in a darkened cinema.

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« Reply #79 on: February 26, 2018, 03:16:11 AM »
Film continues to do work. Could have a shot at $700 million domestic depending on the drops from here on out.

Serious doubts Infinity War can beat this domestic.  WW IW should win easily though.

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« Reply #80 on: February 26, 2018, 10:20:22 PM »
9 outta 10 Masters are Master.

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« Reply #81 on: February 28, 2018, 03:45:29 AM »
Holy crap, that was pretty cool. LOVED how utterly unique it was- like sticking a sci-fi world into the "real world", but keeping it grounded enough (more like one high-tech lab and some spaceships) that it didn't feel too "out there". All of the crazy costumes were EXCELLENT, as if it was some kind of celebration of a Pan-African concept (usually, that's something people COMPLAIN about, but I guess here it was BY black people, so it's cool :)). Dish-Lip Guy was my favorite :).

Shuri was AMAZING, and far better than the "ambitious younger sister" in the comics, who is frankly rather annoying. Here, she was adorable, petulant and funny, but also basically "Cute, Black M" from James Bond. I wholeheartedly approve, especially of her battle costume.

The Dora Milaje were pretty bad-ass. A Priest element that was more or less unchanged (though I dunno of the Milaje were allowed to have boyfriends in the comics, given they were "Ceremonial Wives"). GREAT "Good Guy Mooks", and the bad-ass one was pretty awesome.

I liked Killmonger- a Villain With Purpose, where you could kind of understand why he turned out that way. He was Chaotic Evil in a way that didn't make him a slavering, slobbering psychopath- he was more of a cold, calculating monster, willing to pay back all the wrongs done to him (being left in a poor part of the world, and seeing the evils men can wreak on each other), and basically burn everything down because of it. He basically was like Magneto, in that he allowed what happened to him (and, broadly, his people) to justify unspeakable actions which actually MIMIC the oppressors. The "Dark Shadow of Imperialism" was strong with him. "The Sun Will Never Set on the Wakandan Empire", indeed.

I liked how Wakanda was this Utopia, but made out to be rather selfish and "non-perfect". Hiding and hoarding their gifts was treated as a complex issue- not black or white. And the debate over what the wealthy/powerful "owe" their brothers was done in an interesting way, with no clear answers. And it certainly didn't excuse Wakanda's isolationist policy.

T'Challa himself was okay, but one of the characters I was least-interested in. His buddy who sides with Killmonger, Killmonger himself, Nakia, Okoye & Shuri were all really more well-rounded characters who I ended up liking a lot more.

A nation of black guys who worship gorillas and make gorilla noises? Yeah, good thing it was mostly black people involved in the making of this movie.

A little too much "Mirror Image Fight" and "Blur Vision" with the battles of the Panthers.

Too bad we'll never have a proper "Masters of Evil" from all the villains in these movies, though. WHY KILL OFF EVERY GUY?

And of course DC's gotta be annoyed at Marvel basically going "okay, Wonder Woman was great; now watch THIS" and making a definitive "Black Movie" to rival WW's "Woman's Movie", and getting a similarly-huge reaction for it. Especially since Justice League was a disappointment.

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« Reply #82 on: February 28, 2018, 11:57:00 AM »
I'm hoping Thanos brings some villains back to be in his army. He probably won't, but they could easily do it.

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« Reply #83 on: February 28, 2018, 12:37:02 PM »
I still haven’t seen it, and pretty much know the plot, but this line of Killmonger’s:

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"Bury me in the ocean with my ancestors who jumped from ships, 'cause they knew death was better than bondage.”

makes me really look forward to what MBJ does with the role.


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« Reply #84 on: February 28, 2018, 11:56:54 PM »
I'm hoping Thanos brings some villains back to be in his army. He probably won't, but they could easily do it.

Yeah, sort of like Kang's Legion of the Unliving.  I'd like to see Red Skull, Ronan (especially since he betrayed Thanos just before dying), Kurse, etc.

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« Reply #85 on: March 01, 2018, 01:53:50 AM »
I'd be okay if they don't, especially because they need to give some time and weight to the Black Order characters.

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« Reply #86 on: March 01, 2018, 11:06:58 AM »
I still haven’t seen it, and pretty much know the plot, but this line of Killmonger’s:

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"Bury me in the ocean with my ancestors who jumped from ships, 'cause they knew death was better than bondage.”

makes me really look forward to what MBJ does with the role.

Yea that line specifically made my jaw drop.

He did a great job

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« Reply #87 on: March 04, 2018, 07:32:17 AM »
Late thoughts

The Good

* Jordan was good as Killmonger
* Letitia Wright as Shuri was probably the standout thing from the film for me, maybe being an unexpected element had something to do with that
* The visits to the afterworld were well done - particularly when we see the difference between Killmonger & Tchalla’s experience. I think this was where the film was at its best in its discussion on race/the black American experience - in taking a “show dont tell” approach. This was a very powerful scene that had a lot of implications to anyone who wasnt just thee to see things blow up
* Serkis/Klaue was really fun as a totally over the top villain. His final shot as his corpse pops out of the bodybad with a manic grin on its face was fitting
* Boseman was good - possibly a little overshadowed by Jordan at times. Casting overall was solid.

The Bad
* cant think of anything specifically bad really - just some nitpicks
* The final fight between Killmonger/Panther was perhaps a bit of a letdown - would have liked to see Panther do something more clever to take him out

The Other
* ​film had a good balance of humour - there were no jokes that went too far or fell flat which has been a bad trend in Marvel films lately
* The movie really picks up a lot after T’challa’s defeat
* The casino scene was incredibly reminiscent of the similar scene in Skyfall with Craig & Naomi Harris walking round the room while the camera follows Craig. Pretty clear this was an inpsiration.
* I liked that the film had a pretty strong theme of identity but i kind of feel like it just missed the mark slightly in terms of being clearly expressed at key points. Though in thinking about it Im not sure. Would have to see the film again.

Overall, though i didnt love the film - was, like Ragnarok, probably a bit too taken in by the hype. Still that may change with subequent viewings.

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« Reply #88 on: March 12, 2018, 10:45:23 PM »
Just saw it. I really liked it. Tied with Spider-Man: Homecoming as my favorite Marvel movie in a good while, at least off the top of my head.

This movie gets what I meant in the Ragnarok movie thread about getting the balance between drama and comedy right. Yes, there were occasional humorous elements but it never detracted from the story. The story was good, but the casting is what really carried the movie. It reminds me of John Carter in that way. Not just T'Challa, pretty much the entire cast was great. It left me wanting to see more of Wakanda.

MBJ was just great. Yes, he had some noble motivations, but there was no doubt he was twisted to his core. This was not a guy who could be redeemed, nor should he be, just a guy who makes you wish he could have been saved when he was a kid.

Man-Ape was dope. Agree with the poster who said that this was the biggest surprise.


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