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« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2018, 12:37:50 PM »
It was outright stated to have weakened Superman.

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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2018, 12:54:48 PM »
It was outright stated to have weakened Superman.
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Re: King Thanos vs Superman
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2018, 12:57:31 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2018, 02:14:59 PM »
That's not referring to physical weakness.  It's about not being whole and missing parts of what makes you complete and an individual.  It's similar to these:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rywL6YNoUFw/Vntd33ZKBxI/AAAAAAAAkVg/bBdeP5wEjsA/s1600-Ic42/RCO023.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y5tkOjZRFAs/Vntd30QvkDI/AAAAAAAAkVY/y9xnq49xw6M/s1600-Ic42/RCO024.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KIsP9eFFoME/VsV693mjxKI/AAAAAAAABzg/9ecG9SAuMl0/s1600-Ic42/RCO007.jpg

Superman now is stronger than Wonder Woman at about the same percentage that New 52 Superman was stronger than her. 
« Last Edit: February 12, 2018, 02:25:56 PM by Hulkster »

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Re: King Thanos vs Superman
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2018, 05:55:59 PM »
That's not referring to physical weakness.  It's about not being whole and missing parts of what makes you complete and an individual.  It's similar to these:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rywL6YNoUFw/Vntd33ZKBxI/AAAAAAAAkVg/bBdeP5wEjsA/s1600-Ic42/RCO023.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y5tkOjZRFAs/Vntd30QvkDI/AAAAAAAAkVY/y9xnq49xw6M/s1600-Ic42/RCO024.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KIsP9eFFoME/VsV693mjxKI/AAAAAAAABzg/9ecG9SAuMl0/s1600-Ic42/RCO007.jpg

Superman now is stronger than Wonder Woman at about the same percentage that New 52 Superman was stronger than her. 


.. Because you say so. Right.

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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2018, 06:25:01 PM »
I think you misunderstood the analogy. I proposed what would apply if you could magically split a solar panel into two equally large panels. "Equally large" meaning, equal in size to the original, that is. Superman wasn't split into two half-sized Supermen, was he?

Sure that will work. Same panel size but half the silicon crystals content for both enlarged panels.

It's not a given that the stored power content within the two Supermen would be half that of the original though. I mean, they didn't have half the size or mass, did they? If not, then there was obviously some element of duplication going on, rather than straightforward division. Superman wasn't sliced down the middle like an apple.

Even if we assume that the initial power level of the two Superman was half that of the original, that's the sort of thing that could be easily brushed aside in a very short space of time, based on how Superman's powers have been written in practice. If we take the SUPERMAN VS. ALIENS crossover for example, which was acknowledged in one of his mainstream books, Superman's power level was reduced to 20% of normal at one point, due to travelling to a region of space far from any yellow stars. Did that result in a long term reduction in Superman's power level? No. Once exposed to Earth's Sun again, he was apparently able to recoup that lost power in next to no time.

Anyway, writing Superman 2x powerful compared to his nu52 self makes for almost no story to write. It's like having a Zeus series that ends in 6 issues or less else, he would have no challengers. So writers must write Superman based on existing paradigms to give him a story and challenge.

Which is the main point really. We can argue technical points over whether Superman should or should not be more powerful than before after having his two halves reunited, but in practice, writers are unlikely to follow through with the logic of that if it means making him twice as strong as before as a long term thing. That's not to say there won't be any power creep at all, but if writers want to scale up Superman's power, they'll do it regardless of whether or not there's any in-story explanation for that. And the reverse is true as well.

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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2018, 08:47:15 PM »
I think you misunderstood the analogy. I proposed what would apply if you could magically split a solar panel into two equally large panels. "Equally large" meaning, equal in size to the original, that is. Superman wasn't split into two half-sized Supermen, was he?

Sure that will work. Same panel size but half the silicon crystals content for both enlarged panels.

It's not a given that the stored power content within the two Supermen would be half that of the original though. I mean, they didn't have half the size or mass, did they? If not, then there was obviously some element of duplication going on, rather than straightforward division. Superman wasn't sliced down the middle like an apple.

Even if we assume that the initial power level of the two Superman was half that of the original, that's the sort of thing that could be easily brushed aside in a very short space of time, based on how Superman's powers have been written in practice. If we take the SUPERMAN VS. ALIENS crossover for example, which was acknowledged in one of his mainstream books, Superman's power level was reduced to 20% of normal at one point, due to travelling to a region of space far from any yellow stars. Did that result in a long term reduction in Superman's power level? No. Once exposed to Earth's Sun again, he was apparently able to recoup that lost power in next to no time.

You still wrongly assumed that both had the same FULL power levels. I simply give the correct analogy. 2 sides where both were reduced either half or whatever amount you want. Your analogy, 2 sides, both at equal and full capacity.

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Anyway, writing Superman 2x powerful compared to his nu52 self makes for almost no story to write. It's like having a Zeus series that ends in 6 issues or less else, he would have no challengers. So writers must write Superman based on existing paradigms to give him a story and challenge.

Which is the main point really. We can argue technical points over whether Superman should or should not be more powerful than before after having his two halves reunited, but in practice, writers are unlikely to follow through with the logic of that if it means making him twice as strong as before as a long term thing. That's not to say there won't be any power creep at all, but if writers want to scale up Superman's power, they'll do it regardless of whether or not there's any in-story explanation for that. And the reverse is true as well.

So what are you arguing about? He wasn't at reduced power levels during nu52, right?

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« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2018, 10:18:37 PM »
That's not referring to physical weakness.  It's about not being whole and missing parts of what makes you complete and an individual.  It's similar to these:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rywL6YNoUFw/Vntd33ZKBxI/AAAAAAAAkVg/bBdeP5wEjsA/s1600-Ic42/RCO023.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y5tkOjZRFAs/Vntd30QvkDI/AAAAAAAAkVY/y9xnq49xw6M/s1600-Ic42/RCO024.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KIsP9eFFoME/VsV693mjxKI/AAAAAAAABzg/9ecG9SAuMl0/s1600-Ic42/RCO007.jpg

Superman now is stronger than Wonder Woman at about the same percentage that New 52 Superman was stronger than her. 

Where is that suggested it wasn't physically weakness the split caused?

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« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2018, 10:36:30 PM »
Where is it suggested that is?

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« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2018, 10:58:10 PM »
Where is it suggested that is?

In toher words, your fanfiction is just that, as usual.

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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2018, 11:08:20 PM »
Where is it suggested that is?

In toher words, your fanfiction is just that, as usual.

In toher words, your dyslexia is as bad as your reading comprehension.

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« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2018, 01:24:08 AM »
Where is it suggested that is?
In the scan posted.

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Re: King Thanos vs Superman
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2018, 11:29:45 PM »
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