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Yeah this one was just plain spiteful and awful to the fans. I can't imagine a worse decision or plan of booking. Just utter fucking garbage. And then they made sure we KNEW it wasn't going to be Bryan a month later, just in case we didn't get it.

Because Vince would rather be right than make money.
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Yeah, it's insane how they treat Daniel Bryan. I mean, you have YES chants going on in different sports--so let's not make the guy who is megaover with the fans the star with an angle that writes itself.

Daniel Bryan comes back from severe injury after never losing his belt, The Authority says no and he has to enter the Royal Rumble, he wins, The Authority finally fully alaigns with Brock Lesnar and want Lesnar to end Bryan at WM.

I mean, it was there! Like a giant red X in the sand!

I don't have much hope for Lesnar vs Regins because Lesnar is basically Scott Steiner. Everyone one else throws themselves around to make him good. When they don't like his matches with Triple H--the matches are horrible. And I don't even want to think about what the fans will do because this WM looks horrible outside of the IC title match.
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I'm still holding out hope that Rollins cashes in his MitB shot DIRECTLY after Reigns wins and walks out as the champ.

I could handle having spent what I've spent to take 3 people to this shit-fest, out of town, for the weekend, in the expensive-ass-fuck-if-you-don't-live-here Bay Area, if I can just RUB ROLLINS BEING CHAMP in the faces of my children on the 4+hour drive home! :D
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That is the best possible ending to this 'Mania.

Second best is just Lesnar beating the holy fuck out of Reigns a la SummerSlam against Cena.
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Fans chanting bullshit during a wrestlemania main event? Has that ever happened before?
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I'm going to update this to include the 2016 Rumble soon. I have my notes on it, I just haven't gotten around to doing any write-up. Hopefully Sunday afternoon, at the latest.
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2016: The One That Wasn't As Bad As It Should Have Been

Participants

1. Roman Reigns
2. Rusev
3. AJ Styles
4. Tyler Breeze (LOOK! It's Tyler!)
5. Curtis Axel
6. Chris Jericho
7. Kane (or "Demon Kane". Or whatever)
8. Goldust
9. Ryback
10. Kofi Kingston
11. Titus O'Neil
12. R-Truth
13. Luke Harper
14. Stardust (who is now announced as having participated in many Rumbles. Get it straight, WWE!)
15. The Big Show (BUT IT ISN'T IN THE 20's!)
16. Neville
17. Braun Strowman
18. Kevin Owens
19. Dean Ambrose
20. Sami Zayn
21. Eric Rowan
22. Mark Henry
23. Brock Lesnar
24. Jack Swagger
25. The Miz
26. Alberto Del Rio
27. Bray Wyatt
28. Dolph Ziggler
29. Sheamus
30. Triple H

Final Four

4. Sheamus (eliminated by Reigns)
3. Roman Reigns (eliminated by HHH)
2. Dean Ambrose (eliminated by HHH)
W: Triple H

Notes/Thoughts

-For the second time ever, the 2016 Royal Rumble saw the match being competed for the World Heavyweight Title. For the first time ever, the champion (Roman Reigns) was actively defending his title in the match.

-An aside? Why does The Authority "hate" Roman Reigns? It makes absolutely no sense. When they've played this angle historically, there's always been a viable reason for the higher-ups to put down the hero. With Austin, he was foul-mouthed and vulgar and violent, and you could pretend WWE didn't want that as their front man. With The Rock, he had betrayed The Corporation, so he was a target. With Bryan, he had his "vanilla midget" build and unkempt appearance. Even when The Authority was opposing Cena, it still made sense because they had decided Orton was "The Face" and wanted him to be in the spot no matter what. With Reigns... what is the argument against him? This is just... they don't like him because he is a babyface, but there's no rationale for it. Not only is it derivative, but it's lazy.

-MASSIVE boos for Reigns as he debuts, and Michael Cole blows this off by saying that fans just want to see new winners of the Rumble every year.

-Rusev at #2 is a rematch of the final 2 from the year before. Not quite the Shawn/Taker rematch of several years ago, ya know?

-AJ Styles at #3, and he becomes the second guy of the Post-CM Punk era to be allowed to keep his "indy identity" in WWE (Samoe Joe being the other) after other guys like El Generico, Prince Devitt, Kevin Steen, and KENTA were all given new WWE names.

-Styles music, which no one had heard to this point, hits to complete silence, and Roman sells this pretty well with a "WTF?" look. When AJ comes to the ramp, there is a huge pop. The fans are IMMEDIATELY on board with AJ, thereby proving there is no longer any such thing as "casual fans", and that all WWE has left is the IWC. Reigns reverses an early Styles Clash attempt, and the fans crap on him for it.

-Tyler Breeze is eliminated before the countdown to #4 even starts. And it happens right after a fan had raised a "PUSH TYLER BREEZE" sign that is then sheepishly pulled back down.

-After formulating an entire year-long identity out of never having been eliminated in the 2015 Rumble, Axel is tossed by Styles here with no fanfare. IMO, they should have had him tie/break Santino's record in this spot.

-After Jericho comes out, the ring starts filling up, and there are no more eliminations until Goldust is dumped after #11 (Titus) comes out.

-Really just CONSTANT chants for AJ Styles throughout the match.

-JBL smartly ribs on Specialized Spots after both AJ and Jericho are caught in cross-body attempts by Titus O'Neil so he could hit his backbreaker combo. "You'd think guys would stop jumping at him".

-R-Truth fucking NAILS a comedy skit mid-Rumble by coming out, immediately fetching a ladder, and trying to obtain the non-existent Money In The Bank briefcase. This really works with the confused gimmick Truth had establish over the last year, of thinking he was involved in ladder matches that he wasn't. I cracked up at this.

-Kofi's annual spot sees him get flipped onto Big E's shoulders, who then parades him around the ring for a while, even hanging out with some fans and drinking their coke.

-After Harper at #14, Vince brings out the League of Nations to pull Roman out of the match and assault him at ringside, complete with putting him through the announce table. If you ignore the "why didn't they throw him OVER?" aspect, this is good booking. It lets Roman rest without sitting in a corner all match, and it also removes the specter of him hanging over the match.

-Roman valiantly refuses stretcher service to the back and walks back instead. Honestly... I think this had the opposite effect of what they were going for. Instead of making him look "strong", it makes you think "If he can walk, why isn't he getting back in the match?"

-Kane and Show, one year after burying great young talents, put over crappy young talent by letting Braun Strowman single-handedly eliminate both of them.

-Kevin Owens with some old-school hardcore selling here. After having had a BRUTAL Last Man Standing match earlier in the night, he comes to the ring basically dragging his dead leg behind him.

-AJ Styles lasts 28 minutes before Owens gets him out to solidify his heelness. Would have been nice to see Owens and Jericho switch exits, but oh well. It's a good sign that they gave Owens that elimination.

-Sami Zayn gets a big pop at #20 for his Rumble debut, and this leads to Kevin Owens being involved in his third straight huge brawl after an entrance (he and AJ after Kevin came out at 18, he and Ambrose after Dean came in at 19, and Sami here). Sami gets Owens out after a short but impactful tenure. In his run just from 18 to 20, Owens has three great brawls, tosses AJ Styles to maybe set up a storyline, brawls with Dean to put a period on their ending story, and then gets dumped by Zayn to continue their long-established arc. THAT is how you do a short Rumble stint. This match actually has surprisingly good booking at times.

-With Rowan's entry, the Wyatt Family becomes an official force in the match, tossing Stardust, Neville, and Mark Henry effortlessly.

-It's short-lived, however, as Lesnar pops out at #23 and trashes the family, getting all three out by himself.

-Another fun spot sees Miz come out, trash talk Brock Lesnar at ringside, and then join commentary for several minutes, smartly noting that it's "not the right time" to enter the ring (while Brock is there).

-Bray at #27 right after Strowman is out, and the Wyatts allr re-enter to attack him. After a good bit of back-and-forth (which sees Brock toss all the Wyatts a SECOND time for a face-off with Bray in which Bray shows no fear), the Wyatts overpower him and dump him out. The only problem I have here is that Brock then just leaves, and that is a bit incongruent with the rampaging, vindictive, angry character they've established for him. I figured he would at least F5 everyone still in the ring before going to the back.

-Roman returns at #29 to attack Sheamus.

-HHH is maybe the least surprising "big surprise" entrant ever at #30.

-Jericho gets the Iron Man rub here, lasting 50 minutes to the last five.

-Roman surprisingly DOESN'T make it to the final two, showing for the second time (WrestleMania 31 being the first), that WWE knows what major show crowds are going to do with him. This allows HHH to get the win over Dean, a fan-favorite, and get booed.

After two absolute pieces of crap Rumbles, it was nice to get a thoroughly entertaining match here. There are several fun spots, the crowd loved AJ, the booking was good, and they managed to find a way to not let the entire span be about Roman.


FINAL RANKINGS

1. 2001 (Austin III) - 10/10

2. 2010 (Edge) - 9/10
3. 2004 (Benoit) - 9/10
4. 1992 (Flair) - 9/10

5. 2007 (The Undertaker) - 8/10
6. 1997 (Austin I) - 8/10
7. 1998 (Austin II) - 8/10

8. 2008 (Cena I) - 7/10
9. 2002 (HHH I) - 7/10

10. 2016 (HHH II) - 6/10
11. 2005 (Batista I) - 6/10

12. 2003 (Lesnar) -5/10
13. 1989 (Studd) - 5/10
14. 1996 (Michaels II) - 5/10
15. 2011 (Del Rio) - 5/10
16. 1999 (McMahon) 5/10

17. 1993 (Yokozuna) - 4/10
18. 1990 (Hogan I) - 4/10
19. 1994 (Hart/Luger) - 4/10
20. 2013 (Cena II) - 4/10
21. 2009 (Orton) - 4/10

22. 2012 (Sheamus) - 3/10
23. 1991 (Hogan II) - 3/10
24. 2014 (Batista II) - 3/10
25. 2006 (Mysterio) - 3/10
26. 2000 (The Rock) - 3/10

27. 1995 (Michaels I) - 2/10
28. 1988 (Duggan) - 2/10

29. 2015 (Reigns) - 1/10
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http://411mania.com/wrestling/reviewing-the-rumbles-2017/

The Participants
1. Big Cas
2. Chris Jericho
3. Kalisto
4. Mojo Rawley
5. Jack Gallagher (with his umbrella, William III!)
6. Mark Henry
7. Braun Strowman
8. Sami Zayn
9. The Big Show
10. Tye Dillinger (in one of those spots that everyone knew was coming, but was still absolutely wonderful)
11. James Ellsworth
12. Dean Ambrose
13. Baron Corbin
14. Kofi Kingston
15. The Miz (who doesn’t come out to Daniel Bryan’s theme, despite all the predictions)
16. Sheamus
17. Big E
18. Rusev (Rocking the Richard Hamilton mask!)
19. Cesaro
20. Xavier Woods
21. Bray Wyatt
22. Apollo Crews
23. Randy Orton
24. Dolph Ziggler
25. Luke Harper
26. Brock Lesnar
27. Enzo Amore
28. Goldberg
29. The Undertaker
30. Roman Reigns

Final Four
4. Chris Jericho (eliminated by Roman Reigns)
3. Bray Wyatt (eliminated by Roman Reigns)
2. Roman Reigns (eliminated by Randy Orton)
1. Randy Orton

Thoughts

-Personal aside to start: I had some of my buddies over who haven’t watched wrestling since the mid-2000s to watch the Rumble with me (and I even had the wife watching again). They were fans of the show overall, and I gave them homework for this week: find as much of Wrestle Kingdom 11 on YouTube as possible (they had already asked about “that six-star match”) and find The Final Deletion while they are at it. Just because everyone should at least experience that. Anyway, they had a blast, so I might have my rose-colored goggles out for this one because it’s a lot more fun watching with a group.

-Two minute intervals this year!

-I’m generally a putridly bad prognosticator, so whenoOne of my very few correct predictions happens, I have to tout it: Enzo and Cas out first to get their spiel in before the match starts!

-The aisle to the ring is about an eternity long here, to the point where the bigger athletes actually rode a cart to the ring off-camera. The first time this happens—for Mark Henry—Jerry Lawler starts to point it out, but I imagine Vince screamed in his ear to leave it alone.

-Early on, the previously stats-allergic Cole lets us know when Jericho breaks the record for most combined time spent in Rumbles at over 4 hours. Wow!

-Jack Gallagher gets an early humor spot in the Rumble, assaulting everyone with his umbrella, culminating in coming off the top rope with the umbrella open and getting unceremoniously dumped by Mark Henry (he still seemed more graceful than Mrs. Featherbottom, at least).

-Braun out at #6, and the Rumble gets its first real forward momentum of the night, as he hit the rings and tosses everyone except Jericho (who falls into a habit of hiding most of the rest of the evening). Mojo, Cas, and Henry all fall to the monster, and admittedly… I have loved Strowman’s booking since Survivor Series. This is how you get a monster over. Now let’s all hope he doesn’t get Rybacked in a few months.

-Separately, Strowman pitches both Mark Henry and Big Show by himself, and somewhere—if only in my head—R-Truth is saying “Pfft, call me when you do that at the same time”.

-I can’t stress how happy I am that WWE went through with Tye Dillinger at #10.

-James Ellsworth takes an elimination from Strowman (after some fun hemming and hawing about getting in the ring with the goliath that haunts his dreams) that I like to call “How To Break Your Pelvis”.

-Still on the Strowman Show, Braun is “single-handedly” eliminated by Baron Corbin with a clothesline, but it DOES follow a flying dropkick by Dean and Sami’s Helluva Kick. So it makes everyone involved look quite good.

-Kofi’s annual save isn’t great here. He falls off the top of the ring post, but catches himself and dangles for a bit before righting the ship. As far as saves go, it’s not amazing, but the spot itself is impressive because when it happened, I thought he might have died; it appears as though he just misses cracking his face off the post.

-Jericho gets the “Iron Man” tenure here, but it’s mostly his hiding and lying down. Not in a disappointing way because it is his character, but… it’s not like he faced an endurance test, you know?

-Bray Wyatt and Xavier Woods relive their gimmick from this past summer, with Woods showing terror in the face of the cult leader. Continuity! And like previously, Woods overcomes his paralysis to do battle with Wyatt.

-The lull between #22 and #23 sees the first “Goldberg” chant break out.

-Sheamus and Cesaro eliminate the entirety of The New Day in one fell swoop, but then immediately get dumped by Y2J when Sheamus tries to sneak Cesaro out. So 5 guys out in about… 10 seconds? Or less? That might be a record.

-With Randy Orton’s appearance, we are informed by Michael Cole that three men have won from the #23 spot, but then he leaves us hanging without any further sage words, but don’t worry fans! Your humble Rumble reviewer has your back. Lex Luger (1994) is the only other man who has won from the #23 spot, so… I’m not sure what Cole is on about. There have been a few #22’s and #24’s, but… wait a minute… twice in history (Hulk Hogan in 1991 and Steve Austin in 1998), the man who won at the #24 spot did it in year where there had earlier been a no-show. So while three people haven’t won from the “23 position” (Cole’s words), three men who were the twenty-third entrant in the match have won. So there’s that. Damn, Cole. Don’t make me do your homework for you. Get in the game.

-Fun fact: Brock Lesnar rocks the ring like a hurricane, eliminating Ambrose and Ziggler before just obliterating everyone else, BUT… he neither eats nor sleeps between eliminating them. Paul Heyman is a damnable liar.

-Goldberg out to face off with Lesnar at #28, and… can someone explain this angle to me? Goldberg is now 2-0 against Lesnar in his career with one of those wins being an uncontested stomp, and an effortless Rumble elimination making up a third official encounter. Why on Earth do I want to see them fight again? I really can’t figure out what they are trying to build here. If their roles at the Rumble had been reversed, sure. Then they’d each gotten over the other in rapid fashion. But as it is? This is befuddling. I am befuddled.

-Undertaker and Goldberg go at it, and THERE’S an angle I want to see. They have a much more interesting (though equally as brief) confrontation, and… why can’t we be building to that at WrestleMania instead?

-Hahaha, so yeah. When Undertaker was at #29 (and Brock and Goldberg and Braun had all already been in and back out), the assumption was that #30 was going to be a huge surprise. And it was… oh, it was. But you know what else is a surprise? Finding a bug in the steak you ordered. Not all surprises are fun is what I’m saying. I remember sitting on my couch, and exact words were “Balor, Joe, or Angle. Balor, Joe, or Angle. Balor, Joe, or—huh? OH COME ON”.

I took some abuse in my review of 2014 for giving WWE too much credit by believing Daniel Bryan was always the endgame. And I’m probably doing it again with my belief that WWE is booking Roman the way they are because they have found the formula to book a heel the will never get cheered, but come on… there’s an unbelievable level obliviousness that comes with the booking of Roman. It’s hard to swallow.

-A Roman/Undertaker angle is built towards when Roman pitches ‘Taker, and I am reminded of what I alluded to earlier: can’t we have Undertaker/Goldberg instead? Let Brock and Roman fight again. That’s a fine pairing. That was fun at WrestleMania 31.

-A lot of this Rumble harkens back to 2014. The air getting sucked out of the arena at #30. A final four that is… unimpressive. And that final set-up is made even more so when the only palatable guy left is the first one out. Leaving…

-Roman, Randy, and Bray as the final three, and I was—wait, I’m going to try to sound young and hip here—checked out AF at that point. If I were ranking current WWE superstars instead of Rumbles, we’d be looking at three great candidates for my bottom five, and it all comes down to them. And what’s more, the one of them that makes the least sense to win… wins. Randy Orton? In 2017? But… why? They can’t possibly be down for another Orton/Cena stretch, can they? The only storyline that would make sense for WrestleMania is Orton/Wyatt and oh my god, Wyatt is winning the title before ‘Mania, isn’t he? Damn it.

This honest-to-god felt like an 8/10 Rumble until #30. Now I'm trying not to be super snarky and down on Roman just because... but what a momentous disappointment of what could have been a huge return/debut spot. Everything kind of soured from that point on, dragging down what had genuinely been a great Royal Rumble. So close, WWE. So close.

FINAL RANKINGS

1. 2001 (Austin III) – 10/10

2. 2010 (Edge) – 9/10
3. 2004 (Benoit) – 9/10
4. 1992 (Flair) – 9/10

5. 2007 (The Undertaker) – 8/10
6. 1997 (Austin I) – 8/10
7. 1998 (Austin II) – 8/10

8. 2008 (Cena I) – 7/10
9. 2002 (HHH I) – 7/10

10. 2016 (HHH II) – 6/10
11. 2017 (Orton II) – 6/10
12. 2005 (Batista I) – 6/10

13. 2003 (Lesnar) -5/10
14. 1989 (Studd) – 5/10
15. 1996 (Michaels II) – 5/10
16. 2011 (Del Rio) – 5/10
17. 1999 (McMahon) 5/10

18. 1993 (Yokozuna) – 4/10
19. 1990 (Hogan I) – 4/10
20. 1994 (Hart/Luger) – 4/10
21. 2013 (Cena II) – 4/10
22. 2009 (Orton I) – 4/10

23. 2012 (Sheamus) – 3/10
24. 1991 (Hogan II) – 3/10
25. 2014 (Batista II) – 3/10
26. 2006 (Mysterio) – 3/10
27. 2000 (The Rock) – 3/10

28. 1995 (Michaels I) – 2/10
29. 1988 (Duggan) – 2/10

30. 2015 (Reigns) – 1/10
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Re: NotBAMF watched all the Royal Rumble matches... so you don't have to! (2017!)
« Reply #128 on: February 05, 2017, 02:42:04 AM »

I'd give it a 4. It was pretty bad.

Jericho winning as a pure chickenshit heel would have worked alright imo.

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Re: NotBAMF watched all the Royal Rumble matches... so you don't have to! (2017!)
« Reply #129 on: February 05, 2017, 11:42:01 AM »

Explain the Lesnar-Goldberg angle. Heck, they know Goldberg can't wrestle for more than a minute and can't cut a promo and are probably going to main even WM. Trying to find logic in this is like The movie Cell where you go in the mind of a lunatic to find one key note of information.

Personally, I think Reigns was sent out because they didn't want Orton booed and knew tossing Reigns would get him some points with the fans.

And I've been thinking about Orton winning the Rumble. I'm okay with it. He's been great this year and he's part of the best storyline the WWE has done in years with him infiltrating the Wyatt Family to kill it from the inside out. So you know, let it be for the title match at WM. It's got the build and it should be a great match.

If we get Cena vs Orton again...ugghhh.
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