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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2018, 01:00:40 PM »
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Wonder Woman out performed Thor against Superman and Herc. She was as strong as Thor back then. Skill made her so better. She is Much stronger now. You didnt see her handling Kryptonians and Doomsday and Grail level opponents so easily back I am. Assy.

Wonder Woman doesn't outperform Thor against those two.  Hercules isn't even at full power and they still seem even:

http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2003102304462000

http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2003110316574500
WW hadn't beem upgraded yet eithet. Yet she beat Wonder Man every year. WM was constantly shown as a peer to Thor and Hulk.

Busiek considered Hercules and Thor to be "markedly stronger" than Wonder Man.

http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2003113007100600

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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2018, 01:21:45 PM »
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Wonder Woman out performed Thor against Superman and Herc. She was as strong as Thor back then. Skill made her so better. She is Much stronger now. You didnt see her handling Kryptonians and Doomsday and Grail level opponents so easily back I am. Assy.

Wonder Woman doesn't outperform Thor against those two.  Hercules isn't even at full power and they still seem even:

http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2003102304462000

http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2003110316574500
WW hadn't beem upgraded yet eithet. Yet she beat Wonder Man every year. WM was constantly shown as a peer to Thor and Hulk.

Busiek considered Hercules and Thor to be "markedly stronger" than Wonder Man.

http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2003113007100600
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2623/4144474481_0ff73e38d0_o.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/28028/802619-hyperion_vs._wonder_man001.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/38/119905964_75a2187031_o.jpg

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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2018, 01:53:18 PM »
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Wonder Woman out performed Thor against Superman and Herc. She was as strong as Thor back then. Skill made her so better. She is Much stronger now. You didnt see her handling Kryptonians and Doomsday and Grail level opponents so easily back I am. Assy.

Wonder Woman doesn't outperform Thor against those two.  Hercules isn't even at full power and they still seem even:

http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2003102304462000

http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2003110316574500
WW hadn't beem upgraded yet eithet. Yet she beat Wonder Man every year. WM was constantly shown as a peer to Thor and Hulk.

Busiek considered Hercules and Thor to be "markedly stronger" than Wonder Man.

http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2003113007100600
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2623/4144474481_0ff73e38d0_o.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/28028/802619-hyperion_vs._wonder_man001.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/38/119905964_75a2187031_o.jpg

Here is the full scene of one of your scans:

http://i.imgur.com/fACuhtW.jpg

Even in the full scene of the other, Simon corrects himself and says that he is "almost" as strong as Thor:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tS4lZZUzjlM/Um0tAxVc3ZI/AAAAAAAASmU/7n2oyXQpx1M/s1600/av211_27.jpg

Then add this one:

http://i.imgur.com/24nq5LG.jpg

And below compare how Thor's punch does against Nefaria to how Simon's does:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120921/4590495-4579433300-nefar.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sTc76tKQcR8/UhYJa6QTB7I/AAAAAAAARWc/DqsK2K0ycbs/s1600/avengers+166+001.jpg

And how he is handled by Josten:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ySEaOcWvVG5SkQODj5L2bnSqsHvt29FkvAeWXIYkOG36nXxApEROhtdj0NoU7NF5feesMSsYzILh=s1600
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/5b/e7/95/5be79529c71ece90754d7ab5e39c8a71--comics-online-the-avengers.jpg

But I don't think that either of your links show a Busiek written scene.



« Last Edit: January 11, 2018, 02:27:23 PM by Hulkster »

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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2018, 02:20:37 PM »
Busiek clearly intended Simon to be weaker than Thor. He said so on the boards, and he had Simon admit that himself in his run.




I also suspect that he mostly ignored the power-up Simon received in his solo series (aside from the innate flight power), and intended Simon to be at roughly the same strength level he was at during the Jim Shooter run on Avengers (i.e. "not quite Thor" level), which was the era his own run was a homage to.

And I think Busiek intended Wonder Woman to be roughly equal to Thor and Hercules in strength. He didn't quite come out and say that outright, but he kept bringing up the fact that Diana was as strong or stronger than the DC Hercules, and had her out armwrestle a guy who declared himself to be the "next best thing to Thor" under his authorship (albeit, it was the Wonder Man of a different era, but I'm not convinced Busiek was factoring in any strength increases).

All this said, it's one story, and I don't think characters should be compared solely on the basis of any one story, even if it is the only head-to-head showing.
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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2018, 02:48:19 PM »
Busiek clearly intended Simon to be weaker than Thor. He said so on the boards, and he had Simon admit that himself in his run.




I also suspect that he mostly ignored the power-up Simon received in his solo series (aside from the innate flight power), and intended Simon to be at roughly the same strength level he was at during the Jim Shooter run on Avengers (i.e. "not quite Thor" level), which was the era his own run was a homage to.

And I think Busiek intended Wonder Woman to be roughly equal to Thor and Hercules in strength. He didn't quite come out and say that outright, but he kept bringing up the fact that Diana was as strong or stronger than the DC Hercules, and had her out armwrestle a guy who declared himself to be the "next best thing to Thor" under his authorship (albeit, it was the Wonder Man of a different era, but I'm not convinced Busiek was factoring in any strength increases).

All this said, it's one story, and I don't think characters should be compared solely on the basis of any one story, even if it is the only head-to-head showing.
My point is, exactly what you said. Who the fuck is Busiek? He isn't God of comics. Wonder Man was clearly always shown as a contender with Thor.

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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2018, 02:59:36 PM »
But you are referencing his writing to make your point.

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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2018, 04:51:30 PM »
Busiek clearly intended Simon to be weaker than Thor. He said so on the boards, and he had Simon admit that himself in his run.




I also suspect that he mostly ignored the power-up Simon received in his solo series (aside from the innate flight power), and intended Simon to be at roughly the same strength level he was at during the Jim Shooter run on Avengers (i.e. "not quite Thor" level), which was the era his own run was a homage to.

And I think Busiek intended Wonder Woman to be roughly equal to Thor and Hercules in strength. He didn't quite come out and say that outright, but he kept bringing up the fact that Diana was as strong or stronger than the DC Hercules, and had her out armwrestle a guy who declared himself to be the "next best thing to Thor" under his authorship (albeit, it was the Wonder Man of a different era, but I'm not convinced Busiek was factoring in any strength increases).

All this said, it's one story, and I don't think characters should be compared solely on the basis of any one story, even if it is the only head-to-head showing.
My point is, exactly what you said. Who the fuck is Busiek? He isn't God of comics. Wonder Man was clearly always shown as a contender with Thor.
Why are you mad? Given that Buseik wrote for Marvel for over 30 yrs his opinion should have some bearing on WM, Hercules and Thor STR lvl. If you want to say that doesn't mean he knows how strong WW is, there you might have a point. But is opinion of WM STr lvl is valid and outside of Jim Shooter I don't recall a Marvel wrtier or Editor claiming WM= to Thor only close to Thor.
                                                               

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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2018, 06:13:40 PM »
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😂😂😂  As if I could take your spot you garbage Pail kid reject.  Don't be mad cause your favorite isn't as strong as you'd like her to be.  Which isn't bad itself considering it still places her in a relatively nice range. I'm like shit.  Could have sworn the original marvel handbooks had Thor as a 90 cl.  Which he can enhance in a number of ways.  I've always seen her as on the she-hulk thing range.  Which in comparison for Dc would I'd say equates to aquaman on average.  And being at those strength levels going hand you hand just has you punching each other across a room or city.  Which, of course leads into the durability factor which say in the Thing's case has allowed for him to punch up hours weight class when fighting hulk.  We know in comparison that generally even base Hulk is stronger Than Thor.  Which, surprisingly despite the I get stronger factor hasn't really had just an outright win despite that fact & the counters of Thor's mystical enhancements & access to other varied attacks. 

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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2018, 06:17:03 PM »
I remember not too long ago when RIV and Jook both said it was preposterous when even a fictional woman was stronger than a fictional man

Which shows some seriously deep rooted insecurities

Wonder Woman is more of a strength peer for Thor than Superman is
I remember not too long ago when you said...
...no, i really dont remember what you say from post to post.

Thanks for admitting you hang on my every word, though.
It shows some seriously deep rooted insecurities on your part, but i like the attention.  ;D
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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2018, 06:23:53 PM »
Busiek clearly intended Simon to be weaker than Thor. He said so on the boards, and he had Simon admit that himself in his run.




I also suspect that he mostly ignored the power-up Simon received in his solo series (aside from the innate flight power), and intended Simon to be at roughly the same strength level he was at during the Jim Shooter run on Avengers (i.e. "not quite Thor" level), which was the era his own run was a homage to.

And I think Busiek intended Wonder Woman to be roughly equal to Thor and Hercules in strength. He didn't quite come out and say that outright, but he kept bringing up the fact that Diana was as strong or stronger than the DC Hercules, and had her out armwrestle a guy who declared himself to be the "next best thing to Thor" under his authorship (albeit, it was the Wonder Man of a different era, but I'm not convinced Busiek was factoring in any strength increases).

All this said, it's one story, and I don't think characters should be compared solely on the basis of any one story, even if it is the only head-to-head showing.
My point is, exactly what you said. Who the fuck is Busiek? He isn't God of comics. Wonder Man was clearly always shown as a contender with Thor.
Why are you mad? Given that Buseik wrote for Marvel for over 30 yrs his opinion should have some bearing on WM, Hercules and Thor STR lvl. If you want to say that doesn't mean he knows how strong WW is, there you might have a point. But is opinion of WM STr lvl is valid and outside of Jim Shooter I don't recall a Marvel wrtier or Editor claiming WM= to Thor only close to Thor.
                                                             
Missing the god dam point. If WM were even close to Thor, and she beat him every year, even her weaker pre powerup years, then she was equal to Thor before any upgrades.

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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2018, 08:54:19 PM »
Post Crisis Diana's been roughly equal to Thor/Hercules/Classic Hyperion since the Byrne WW run. All these years of people pretending she was anything less than Class 100 were always laughable.

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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2018, 04:19:57 AM »
Why are you mad? Given that Buseik wrote for Marvel for over 30 yrs his opinion should have some bearing on WM, Hercules and Thor STR lvl. If you want to say that doesn't mean he knows how strong WW is, there you might have a point. But is opinion of WM STr lvl is valid and outside of Jim Shooter I don't recall a Marvel wrtier or Editor claiming WM= to Thor only close to Thor.
                                                             

Steve Englehart wrote Wondy as STRONGER than Thor and towards the end of his solo run, Wondy was almost certainly Thor's equal.

Even though he never took him there, Shooter also claimed in interviews that Wondy had the potential to bypass Thor in strength because mankind had unlimited potential or some such

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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2018, 04:26:22 AM »
Post Crisis Diana's been roughly equal to Thor/Hercules/Classic Hyperion since the Byrne WW run. All these years of people pretending she was anything less than Class 100 were always laughable.

I'd argue since the Perez run. I don't think Byrne powered her up at all.

I see Post-Crisis WW as being dead even with Gilgamesh and Ulik ... for all intents and purposes level with Thor but if I absolutely had to declare one above the others, it'd be the Thunder God. I used to see Diana and Wonder Man as level but I've just seen too much good stuff under later writers to believe that to still be the case. Same applies with Namor underwater ... he and Diana were close but WW came out a little ahead overall.

It sounds like Rebirth Wonder Woman is stronger than Thor though.

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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2018, 05:01:07 AM »
Post crisis WW is about as strong as thor. New 52 WW is definitely stronger than the thunder god.

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Re: If Thor is 100 in strength...
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2018, 09:52:05 AM »
Is New 52 Superman stronger than New 52 Wonder Woman?