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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2018, 03:36:46 AM »
It’s almost as if they’re full of shit and don’t actually want to fight against Republicans.  One would think they are in the pockets of the same people.

But nah, let’s go ahead and keep voting them in.  Someday, they will stop disappointing us, surely.

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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2018, 12:54:56 PM »
It’s almost as if they’re full of shit and don’t actually want to fight against Republicans.  One would think they are in the pockets of the same people.

But nah, let’s go ahead and keep voting them in.  Someday, they will stop disappointing us, surely.

See I dont think it even corruption. Because I am not sure donors give that much of a shit about Dacca.  It would actully be a huge finnical issue if we deport all of them.  IT would be messy and public to actully do it. Your going to have to bust some heads because some one go queitly, and their paying into the community. It would actully be a fucking disaster. Not even by a pure "This is wrong what about the children" but a pure liguistics reasons

Secretly coparation dont want to end immigration because they like the cheap labor
that why they rarely attack people hiring them..which 50 percent of it

Dems may want to increase immigration because they vote Dem
Other people may want it...because we shouldnt be deporting people who adding to our society and only know american

So this the times where progtessivinismm compassion
And cold heart prgamistims... and letting everyone wet their beak should all work together

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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2018, 01:28:49 AM »

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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2018, 02:19:54 PM »
my prediction, Trump will try to add as much poison shit to the bill where they have to say no

Then blame what ever shut down on the dems...and maybe kill the fillibuster

That if the dems even have the balls to attempt a shut down

Hell they might say yes to any poison for the Dacca...but trump will still say no.

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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2018, 02:31:50 PM »
A prolonged shutdown would be monumentally bad for the country.


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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2018, 09:11:14 PM »
Either don't do the shutdown in the first place, or show some balls and actually go further than one weekend with it. The Dems tried to play the "safe" middle ground, and ended up getting pwned in the press and deflating their own base instead. They failed to even secure funding for Community Health Centers :

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/370314-community-health-centers-await-funding-that-expired-four-months-ago

And it looks like things won't get better for the Dreamers. Congrats Schumer,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwLVjr7sAME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxdZtAMtTMw  (Before the below news, but hey it is Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.)

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/j5vz3b/looks-like-senate-democrats-will-cave-even-more-on-daca

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Looks Like Senate Democrats Will Cave Even More on DACA

A new report says Democrats won't demand immigration reform be coupled with a new spending bill. That could be bad news for DREAMers.

Earlier this week, Democrats made a deal with Republicans to reopen the federal government just a few days after shutting it down. The negotiations cover a number of spending issues, but the main point of contention is DACA, a program that allows DREAMers (undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children) to live and work legally in the US. Barack Obama instituted DACA in an executive order that Donald Trump moved to reverse last year—now Democrats (and some Republicans) want to enshrine DACA into law. DACA is popular with the public, and immigration activists—as well as the Democrats' left-wing base—have been pushing the Democrats to refuse to support any budget deal that doesn't include DACA, even if that means shutting down the government.

Those activists can't have been pleased by the latest news out of Congress—on Wednesday night, Politico reported that Senate Democrats were preparing to drop their demands on DACA to get a budget deal done. In all likelihood, that means no shutdown, but also no legislation to help the nearly 800,000 DREAMers who may soon be at risk of being deported. "Democrats Officially Lost the Shutdown Fight" was how a New York headline put it.
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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2018, 10:08:51 PM »
seriously thus should be a slam dunk for the dems

You got a something that like by 70 to 80 percent of the people
It seem clear by the polls their blaming the republicans

And they actully given the republicans that dumb ass wall. So they cant say they dont care about immigration
And there republicans that went against this bill..so the republicans dont even got the majaroty

The right I  give them realliny to pushed thier shit
That tax bill got like a 20 percent approval raiting. People HATE it. But they will put that message till they dont hate it. And they will all stay on message

Listen dems..no matter what you do...The other side will call you unreasonble obstructinost assholes. They going to call you wild liberals. So why not push things

The other side so far havent had a bill that the majorty of people like. They all horrble bills..and the dems still letting that shit get passed.




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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2018, 11:24:28 PM »
Decades long experienced political operatives are being continuously outmaneuvered like amateurs by a first timer. Pathetic.

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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2018, 11:34:46 PM »
I'm a little confused. Trump's base is mad at him for hinting that he'll cave on DACA. The Democrats base is mad at them for caving on DACA. How can both sides be caving at once?


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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2018, 12:24:15 AM »
I'm a little confused. Trump's base is mad at him for hinting that he'll cave on DACA. The Democrats base is mad at them for caving on DACA. How can both sides be caving at once?


One side really hate Daca and wants no compromise that involve having it even if it giving Trump and the republicans 99 percent of what they want..they hate Daca that much


Other side likes Dacca...and actully wants a bill that has it and keeps them safe. But dont beleave the dems will give it to them.  Or will sacrafice way to much to give it giving the approval rating. Thing they don't need to sacrfice.

So basicly both sides base pressuring them. But the right actully listen to their base and have the power, so Dems will lose.


Now to me the most balance thing, is to do something that has boarder security and save the Daca people. But Dems offered that and was told no.  Right now the bill trump floating around gives 25 billon for that wall, and other immigration law change. Bet the dems will say Yes, and it still wont past

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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2018, 12:41:35 AM »
seriously thus should be a slam dunk for the dems

You got a something that like by 70 to 80 percent of the people
It seem clear by the polls their blaming the republicans

It's not as if this is the first time, or issue, that such is the case either.

Dems can have 70, 80, even 90 percent of the public on their side on various issues. From reasonable gun laws to real healthcare reform to a higher minimum wage to......... and they still fail.

Honestly the real driver is behind the scenes money. Corporate Dems are paid to be weak and feckless. To be political jobbers. Otoh the oligarchs that run America's political system want the hardest ass GOP they can get.
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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2018, 01:58:54 AM »
seriously thus should be a slam dunk for the dems

You got a something that like by 70 to 80 percent of the people
It seem clear by the polls their blaming the republicans

It's not as if this is the first time, or issue, that such is the case either.

Dems can have 70, 80, even 90 percent of the public on their side on various issues. From reasonable gun laws to real healthcare reform to a higher minimum wage to......... and they still fail.

Honestly the real driver is behind the scenes money. Corporate Dems are paid to be weak and feckless. To be political jobbers. Otoh the oligarchs that run America's political system want the hardest ass GOP they can get.

Stop pretending that they dont utterly control the Democratic insiders and their policies as well. By doing that you're giving them a pass for partisan purposes.

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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2018, 06:33:27 PM »
They dug up Debbie Wasterman Schultz and threw her on CNN to make excuses.  The Dems really don't give a shit if they keep losing as long as they have that sweet donor money.

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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2018, 07:07:49 PM »
 Democracy is pretty much dead in this country. Between gerrymandering and campaign donations, the oligarchs just have too many levers for democracy to function.

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Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2018, 08:52:32 AM »
Aw, you know what you need? A good ol' parade to cheer you up.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-military-parade-reaction-lawmakers-upset-2018-2