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Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2017, 07:00:11 PM »
Flash was a touch faster but the film made sure to argue that it was close. The whole point of Flas's speed scene when he returns is that he is moving so fast that everyone is standing still ala QS when he runs - and Superman can see and follow him. he can't quite catch him, but its close enough to make it exciting.

And they race at the end?!? That was the whole point of the scene

Flash should be a litle nit faster now and it should gow as he is fleshed out, but for now he's still learning how to run without tripping

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« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2017, 07:08:44 PM »
Y'know, I'm used to fangirl's meltdowns by now, but this time around, it seems like she's having 5-6 of them in pretty much every thread dealing with the Justice League movie.  That movie broke that poor girl.
The problem with FG is he never admits when he's wrong and makes up facts that fly on the face of history and biology. Case point it takes more speed to block than dodge where does he come up with such tripe.

               Any halfway competent Boxer, MA, MMA, Physicist or Specialist in sports medicine would laugh at that statement. Usain Bolt the world record sprinter has gone as fast 28 mph, science estimates a perfect  human specimen could go 40 mph. Fastest Recorded Kick with Knockout- .72 M.P.H as of 1980. Most people can punch 15% faster than they can kick, which would bring a  world record punch at roughly 83 mph.

              Any Physics 101 course will tell you it takes more energy to move a large object such as a human body, than a smaller object like an arm. Yet according to FG the laws of Physics or Anatomy don't matter. Since anything that cause his false idol WW to look bad must be disregarded

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« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2017, 07:46:51 PM »
He called him a slow poke

Really? C'mon now. You know that was said in jest and not a serious determination of speed, right?

So your goingnto focus on only 1 of tje 4 points I made in exclusion???

On 2 separate occasionsin the film Superman caught up to Flash ehrb Flash had a slight head start. One of thosewas while pushing (lifting) much greater mass.

Then theres the fight where Supes reacted to Flash JUST.

travel speed is definitely favoring Supes, I can see a case can be made for reactions favoring Flash but given the times he was tripped/ knocked down there isnt much in that.

Still 2 separate occasionsin the same fight sequence we see Supes travel faster than flash as the make the same point at the same (or almost same in building carrying case) while Flash started from closer to the finish point.

I dont know another way to interperet that than Supes being faster (based on current showings which will likely change as more movies come out)

Flash straight-up outperformed a Superman who was not holding back.

Flash was lost when rescuing the people at the end, hence why Clark was able to catch up. He couldn't even find East.

He found east just before Supes caught up to him that was my point. It wasnt much of but was a head start (though a small one)

Flash jad to grab a truck and push Superman had to lift a building possibly (though this cant be confirmed) gatjer people into it. It takes longer to lift a building than get a grip on a truck. It takes more thrust to move the mass of a few hundred ton building at speed than to a 3 ton truck and they arrived withinnseconds of each other.

Also we didnt see the endnof the flash Supes Race but Supes was in front.

Flying Superman had a slight but noticeable travel speed over Flash. Not the case in reactions but definitely in travel speed.

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« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2017, 08:11:04 PM »
Y'know, I'm used to fangirl's meltdowns by now, but this time around, it seems like she's having 5-6 of them in pretty much every thread dealing with the Justice League movie.  That movie broke that poor girl.
The problem with FG is he never admits when he's wrong and makes up facts that fly on the face of history and biology. Case point it takes more speed to block than dodge where does he come up with such tripe.

               Any halfway competent Boxer, MA, MMA, Physicist or Specialist in sports medicine would laugh at that statement. Usain Bolt the world record sprinter has gone as fast 28 mph, science estimates a perfect  human specimen could go 40 mph. Fastest Recorded Kick with Knockout- .72 M.P.H as of 1980. Most people can punch 15% faster than they can kick, which would bring a  world record punch at roughly 83 mph.

              Any Physics 101 course will tell you it takes more energy to move a large object such as a human body, than a smaller object like an arm. Yet according to FG the laws of Physics or Anatomy don't matter. Since anything that cause his false idol WW to look bad must be disregarded
Idiot. More energy means nothing with speed force and with superstrength. Besides, she clearly moves her body in the way of bullets AND blocks. Two speed feats at once.

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Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2017, 11:43:24 PM »
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85
9 outta 10 Masters are Master.

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« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2017, 11:49:21 PM »
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85
You arw clearly dumb. Thor above Superman? Fail.

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« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2017, 01:28:07 AM »
He did survive the blast large enough to destroy a city.

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« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2017, 01:35:16 AM »
He did survive the blast large enough to destroy a city.

But then I get the feeling it's easier to cut Thor than it is to cut Superman.

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« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2017, 02:05:38 AM »
Also probably true. Thor is difficult to rate because of much he's use Mjolnir until this past film.

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« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2017, 02:49:40 AM »
Yeah, I can easily see Thor having relatively lower slashing and piercing defenses than he would blunt force durability. I also wouldn’t be against the idea that his resistance against energy would arguably surpass his others although there’s only few cases that might even support this.

I think I have Cyborg on a similarly ‘fluctuating’ defenses if I were to possibly over analyze his scenes that I can remember. Steppenwolf managed to slice through but not completely severe his shoulder and arm with his axe, but Victor also succeeded in surviving through an energy explosion that managed to hurt Superman.

Aquaman, on the other hand, might have his durability far above his strength. It wasn’t completely clear to me, but if I had to guess I’d place it between Wonder Woman on her movie debut to how she looked in modern times.
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« Reply #55 on: November 21, 2017, 02:54:54 AM »
Cyborg complained his leg hurt after the explosion or something.

Also, does anyone else get the idea Thor has some accelerated healing?  He’s been stabbed multiple times but it never seems to be a problem or leave a mark.

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« Reply #56 on: November 21, 2017, 04:25:42 AM »
Yup, they played up the joke that Cyborg was hurt so bad that his (amputated) toes were in pain. Still, the dude survived a blast that also hurt Kal, which at the very least was a nice showing. 

Strength-wise, I’m still at a lost between Arthur or Diana. I want to say Wonder Woman, but I’d be lying it I said that my perception of their comic versions weren’t at least partly responsible for making me think so. Arthur tackled an unaware Steppenwolf, did he not? And he didn’t get much distance from the strike. In comparison, when Diana slammed into him, she smashed him through a wall and noticeably farther. That could also have been a mix of her superior speed mixed with her strength.

Later on, we have Arthur slamming the big bad away using his trident with a bigger distance than what Wondy had accomplished without her bracer strike. He also managed to pierce Step’s armor with a big throw, followed by punch that sends his target flying back again. Diana had multiple sword strikes across her encounters with Steppenwolf that seemed to have limited visual injury, though if I were to overthink this, it could also be the nature of their armor. Didn’t Wonder Woman also score a direct shield hit on him or am I imagining that?

As of right now, without constructive feedback from the less...blatantly biased members of the forum, I’d think that Arthur might actually be stronger than she is, and obviously more capable in a fight underwater. He might also have a very slight durability edge. Not certain. Dinana, on the other hand, possesses her gear which allows her more range with added defensive and offensive capabilities. Slamming her vambraces together looks like her most powerful strike; one that’s hes not matching any time soon. She’s also ridiculously much faster. Thoughts?

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« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2017, 04:41:19 AM »
I'd also look at how they matched up to Kal - Arthur never made an impression with strikes (He didn't get to connect with his leap) or grappling, WW was able to slow him down with the lasso struggle and piss him off with the headbutt.

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« Reply #58 on: November 21, 2017, 04:52:51 AM »
Okay, managed to find a clip of the final fight. She definitely connected with her shield, and it looked like she struck him on the side and not his axe with no noticeable effect. If I did see that accurately, then it gives a bit of weight to my initial thoughts.

Her mix of tools and skill definitely gave her a bigger advantage against Kal. Her lasso attacks have been consistently fast, she’s got that speed Aquaman lacks, plus whatever skill gap is between the two.

Fortunately this movie had a fair number of similar actions taken by several of the characters that makes these comparisons easier. Punch results, Diana taking a hit with her shield, overall movement showings and so on. I’m a little more hesitant to do so, but there are also enough of these between movies that can be used for more comparisons, namely casual shoves from Diana and Clark as well as visual effort displayed when doing lifting.

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Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
« Reply #59 on: November 21, 2017, 05:08:38 AM »
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85

Other than "sokovia busting feat" which is highly suspect as it is, Thor has no showings which suggest he is even close to Superman in durability.


He is also shown less durable than Hulk.