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Necessary components for a successful religious text
« on: November 17, 2017, 06:38:28 AM »
What are they?

Starting off i'd say one of the most important is age.
The longer something's been around, the more credence ppl are going to give it, and the more time ppl will spend talking about how its totally fake.

Also...

A creation myth (where we came from)

At least one god (someone to pray to, praise when things go right, say has been disappointed when things go wrong)

Rules (what the text writers want ppl to do/how they want them to behave)

An afterlife (where ppl go if they follow the rules)

A bad afterlife (where ppl go if they dont follow the rules)

A common enemy (someone to unite against)

Obviously i'm missing some, didnt elaborate enough, or got some different from how you'd explain them.
So, go:
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Re: Necessary components for a successful religious text
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2017, 10:17:17 AM »
Don’t think you need nearly all those components or even any of those components potentially.

The Torah doesn’t have your last 3, for example, the Tao Te Ching has, I think, none of those

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Re: Necessary components for a successful religious text
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2017, 10:19:52 AM »
And as to age, while most of us probably dismiss it, Scientology is doing pretty well for itself despite its recent start. Though with age things prob do grow in prominence, but Dyanetics could probably be called a successful religious text.

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Re: Necessary components for a successful religious text
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2017, 06:26:15 PM »
I dunno, 60+ years for scientology's pretty respectful, especially in the modern world, which has the attention span of Homer Simpson seeing a blue car!
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Re: Necessary components for a successful religious text
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2017, 11:21:11 PM »
Don’t think you need nearly all those components or even any of those components potentially.

The Torah doesn’t have your last 3, for example, the Tao Te Ching has, I think, none of those
Also i guess it depends on one's definition of successful.
I'd say a big part of success as far as religion is gathering followers.

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1.   Christianity   2.3 billion
2.   Islam   1.8 billion
3.   Unaffiliated   1.2 billion
4.   Hinduism   1.1 billion
5.   Buddhism   500 million
6.   Folk religions   400 million
7.   Other religions   100 million
8.   Judaism   10 million

NOTE: Numbers from 2015 via the Pew Research Center

The Torah's Jewish, right?
Honestly thought it'd be higher on the list.
No idea where the Tao Te Ching falls on the above list if at all.
Unaffiliated? Folk? Other? A subduvision of Buddhism?

Here's a link that breaks it down by poulation, too long to copy/paste:
http://www.worldstopmost.com/2017-2018-2019-2020/news/largest-religions-world-top-10-fastest-growing-list/

There's definitely a monopoly by a select few religions.
Those have heavens/hell, even Hiduism.

I mean, if i'm missing stuff pls let me know, i'm not religous by nature, and just thought this'd be something other than politics to talk about.

« Last Edit: November 17, 2017, 11:23:05 PM by Riv1 »
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Re: Necessary components for a successful religious text
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2017, 12:38:43 AM »
Don’t think you need nearly all those components or even any of those components potentially.

The Torah doesn’t have your last 3, for example, the Tao Te Ching has, I think, none of those
Also i guess it depends on one's definition of successful.
I'd say a big part of success as far as religion is gathering followers.

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1.   Christianity   2.3 billion
2.   Islam   1.8 billion
3.   Unaffiliated   1.2 billion
4.   Hinduism   1.1 billion
5.   Buddhism   500 million
6.   Folk religions   400 million
7.   Other religions   100 million
8.   Judaism   10 million

NOTE: Numbers from 2015 via the Pew Research Center

The Torah's Jewish, right?
Honestly thought it'd be higher on the list.
No idea where the Tao Te Ching falls on the above list if at all.
Unaffiliated? Folk? Other? A subduvision of Buddhism?

Here's a link that breaks it down by poulation, too long to copy/paste:
http://www.worldstopmost.com/2017-2018-2019-2020/news/largest-religions-world-top-10-fastest-growing-list/

There's definitely a monopoly by a select few religions.
Those have heavens/hell, even Hiduism.

I mean, if i'm missing stuff pls let me know, i'm not religous by nature, and just thought this'd be something other than politics to talk about.



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Christianity is the oldest and the most popular religion on this planet. It was founded by Jesus Christ in somewhere around 27 AD. Christianity is also the oldest Abrahamic Religion.
The link you posted is filled with inaccuracies. Here are 3 good ones in a row.

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Re: Necessary components for a successful religious text
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2017, 06:05:29 AM »
I'm more concerned with the numbers, which seem to line up with other sites i checked.
This one had a population breakdown which i like though.

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Re: Necessary components for a successful religious text
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2017, 09:28:41 AM »
So you're saying those the capitalize on the need for external locus of control and pray on fear are going to have the largest followings? Sure. Buddhism is the first in your numbers game that doesn't follow your rules, but if you're asking what are things that Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism have in common? External locus of control, use of dire consequences for lack of going along with it aka playing on the fear. Think you can boil the large numbers down to those two pieces.

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Re: Necessary components for a successful religious text
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2017, 01:06:31 AM »
No, i'm asking what posters here think the necessesary components are for a successful religious text.  ???

Thanks for the interesting response, though.
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Re: Necessary components for a successful religious text
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2017, 09:12:41 AM »
I think the word “neccisary” implies that all successful ones have these components. Yet even though they might not be the top 3 in terms of devotees, I think many regions texts have been very successful w/o your components (as outlined in my first post in this thread). Successful enough that a non-religious scholar like me is familiar with them which suggests they’ve made it through the din of texts.

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Re: Necessary components for a successful religious text
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2017, 03:24:00 PM »
Okey dokey.
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Re: Necessary components for a successful religious text
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2017, 03:39:32 PM »
Isn't Buddhism based on reincarnation? And we all keep reincarnating in higher or lower beings until we reach a state of nirvana, and break the cycle of reincarnation. So there's no "bad place" except for the one we're living in.



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Re: Necessary components for a successful religious text
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2017, 05:33:52 PM »
^^^from a REALLY quick Google search:

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Naraka (Sanskrit: नरक; Pali: निरय Niraya) is a term in Buddhist cosmology usually referred to in English as "hell" (or "hell realm") or "purgatory". The Narakas of Buddhism are closely related to diyu, the hell in Chinese mythology
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Re: Necessary components for a successful religious text
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2017, 05:55:41 PM »
^^ Yeah, looks like you're right. Buddhists go to Hell, then get reincarnated here.

Overall I think your list is pretty good. People turn to religion to answer the following questions:

-Where are we from?
-Where are we going?
-What's the purpose of life?
-How should I live my life?
-What happens if I don't live my life that way?
-Who's in charge?

Now that we've got that ironed out, we can pull an L. Ron Hubbard and make our own religion. The Church of the Time of Clobbering


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Re: Necessary components for a successful religious text
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2017, 05:56:07 AM »
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People turn to religion to answer the following questions

Thats nice!
I bet you get a wider range of answers phrasing it your way.
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