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« Reply #135 on: November 20, 2017, 01:28:09 PM »
Yeah. If you adjust for inflation the Ang Lee Hulk film had a 92 million opening weekend if you can believe it.

WB are in a really weird spot in that WW is a big success but the Snyder Batman/Superman connections seem to be toxic with audiences. Like if everything was fucked you might scrap it all, wait a few years and start again - if comic book films still seemed like a smart bet at that point.

Anyway i think there will be some very interesting stories to come out of this years down the line when people feel able to to speak freely about everything. I dont think it will be as simple as "It was all Snyder's fault" either.

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« Reply #136 on: November 20, 2017, 01:44:38 PM »
I think it all gonna be put on Snyder and there gonna move forward without him or his style in all future movies.

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« Reply #137 on: November 20, 2017, 01:49:55 PM »
At a 282$ million global box office Justice League is on pace to make around 800$million. Keep in mind, the release was the week BEFORE Thanksgiving and there could be a large contingent of people traveling. I expect the follow up weekend to be strong.

Second factor and what I consider to be the real risk: Pirates of the Caribbean, Fast and the Furious, and Transformers are all getting higher foreign box office returns and dwindling domestic returns, They're still hitting the 1 billion dollar mark frequently on spectactle. If Warner keeps making money, and make no mistake; after you factor in blu-ray, netflix, and all other forms of income, this will be a profitable movie, they don't have much reason to change.

Creatively this was clearly a pivot, Superman's characterization alone signaled that, but Warner is missing a key component. Disney and Marvel have Kathleen Kennedy and Kevin Feige to provide consistency and who have firing auhority. Warrer has a habit of hiring great talent in casting then letting directors with awful track records make clossal mistkes and on top of that make bad creative decisions when the suits enter in.

DDC clearly needs a central figure to maintain a DC feel.

The loyalty to figures like David Ayer, whose record is spotty at best, are not helpfu Throw in your Zach Snyder's and other assorted mistakes and you have a universe that resonates on some levels, bit never fires on all cylinders

Nevertheless I saw this movie as a clear signal that they are getting the message and if course correction continues great things can happen. DC isn't Marvel, they can't be and their source material isn't prone to the same kind of direction. DC really needs its Feige or Kenedy to stay the creative course and to keep the things that have worked very well so far and trash what hasn't (Zukcerberg, Amy Adams, most of Suicide Squad,)

I would also advise against a hard Spider-Man like reboot. Even the amazing Spider-man Homecoing took a while to find its legs after too many reboots

If DC throws out the trash and keeps fan favorties (Cavill Superman, Battfleck, Miller Flash, Mamoa, WW, Harley) then the universe can be built accordingly and rebots can be discrete.

Will anyone cvare of Luthor is suddenly replaced by his hidden "real father" played by Mark Strong or Billy Zane?

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« Reply #138 on: November 20, 2017, 03:32:39 PM »
Jesus Christ safado, this movie was a financial dumpster fire. Just stop trying to spin it. Even if there’s no significant drop-off (how often does that happen?), this movie is still severely underperforming. And it’s a TEAM movie. It’s pathetic. Fuck WB is the only thing you should be harping on about.

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« Reply #139 on: November 20, 2017, 03:39:25 PM »
Cavill Superman is a fan favorite?  You delusional BR faggot.

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« Reply #140 on: November 20, 2017, 03:42:04 PM »
Every single person I know, including DC try-hards and apologists, has hated Superman because he made the entire team irrelevant.

I liked his personality but also agree that him casually outperforming everyone at the end was ridiculous and off-putting. I’m surprised they didn’t have him hacking the motherboxes too.

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« Reply #141 on: November 20, 2017, 05:18:04 PM »
Every single person I know, including DC try-hards and apologists, has hated Superman because he made the entire team irrelevant.

I liked his personality but also agree that him casually outperforming everyone at the end was ridiculous and off-putting. I’m surprised they didn’t have him hacking the motherboxes too.

Yeah, the LEague was pretty much pointless.  They should have just brought Supes back and gone home since they couldn't do anything without him.

I did like Cavil's Superman better in this in that the guy actually smiled and seemed to care about shit.  I bet Snyder's original vision would've had Superman come back and kick everyone's asses because they pissed him off, then flown to Russia or wherever and nuked the entire place, giving one last look of contempt at the burning crater before flying to Kansas to complain to his mom that he's too good for this Earth.

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« Reply #142 on: November 20, 2017, 05:19:08 PM »
Hollywood Reporter is reporting an opening of $94 million which puts in below Winter Soldier and on par with the first Guardians for opening weekends. 

A huge disaster for WB/DC and they have themselves to blame.
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« Reply #143 on: November 20, 2017, 05:31:33 PM »
I liked his personality but also agree that him casually outperforming everyone at the end was ridiculous and off-putting. I’m surprised they didn’t have him hacking the motherboxes too.

Well, it looked like Cyborg would have failed without Superman to actually pull the boxes apart, so he sort of helped with the "hacking" part too.

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« Reply #144 on: November 20, 2017, 05:34:24 PM »
I'm just fine. Go check on FG. Poor lady is having meltdowns in several threads.

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« Reply #145 on: November 20, 2017, 06:53:29 PM »
You're not looking at it from the studio's perspective

All Marvel films are team films now - Hulk has been in 5 movies? Thor has had 3 solo and two team flicks.

All you need to do is have any one of the main hero's have a solo flick after 10 years of correct universe building and then have any of the other 800 millon per solo outing superstars co-star and throw in some minor cameos or a smattering of Marvel characters and you have a team flick. People will pay extra for Avengers because the characters they know and love have spent TEN years waiting for one threat and fans want to see how it plays out. I'm pretty sure Marvel will eventually hit a 2 billion flick

Having said that

Movies that are in the 700-900 million dollar mark before streaming and blu-ray ARE profitable. Not AS profitable as they could be nor as profitable as Marvel, ut the only other company that is as profitable as marvel are their teammates at Disney.

As much as DC is under performing remember that not that long ago Fantastic Four was an enormous franchise beloved by many and seeing Dr Doom or Galactus on screen was like waiting for Darth Vader to reappear. How'd that work out so far? If Marvel flat out buys the rights to Fox owned properties, we'l see it come back for real but at present does FF even have a comic title?

Transformers is awful but somehow its got several billion dollar entries. No one will ever accuse it of being good - but it is profitable.

DC can either learn the right lessons with the underwhelming domestic reception it got, as it likely will make it to around 800 million and turn a profit; or it can be oe of those awful franchises that makes money entirely on foreign box office and slowly dies off. I think spectacle can go very far, but it's a little early to say that DC is dead

In a movie that had two directors with one dropping out due to a family suicide, a sex scandal starring one of the leads, a lead who has been rumored to be on the chopping block for months (Affleck again) and sveral million dollars lost due to Cavill's porn star stache - who was expecting a great movie?

At my theater audiences flipped when Cavill had his best moments. They also laughed at a lot of lines that were meant to hit home even while some of the lines fell flat.

Batman is hard to write in the JLA because his role is tactician deus ex machina and he looked as underpowered as he is here.

The story is that the candle of hope has flickered out after Superman has died, inviting Steppenwolf to attempt to escape exile because earth is vulnerable again. He's a completely generic Macguffin meant to drive the team together with the caveat tat they don't have the firepower to do it and their only hope is to nring their hope and power back and save the day.

Hopelessly generic but if Superman comes back after that and he's mediocre or somber then the story loses it's meaning, however generic it is. The characters can be fleshed out in individual flicks - they're all rookies except for WW and Batman.

By the lighter portrayal, strong characterization and direction the film took, including the Danny Elfman score, it looks like WB is trying to pivot. It was a hopeless task but I saw an opportunity to improve and a franchise that's at the very least self-aware that it has problems.


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« Reply #146 on: November 20, 2017, 07:03:01 PM »
remember that not that long ago Fantastic Four was an enormous franchise beloved by many and seeing Dr Doom or Galactus on screen was like waiting for Darth Vader to reappear. How'd that work out so far? If Marvel flat out buys the rights to Fox owned properties, we'l see it come back for real but at present does FF even have a comic title?

None of the Fantastic Four movies did very well with critics or fans.  The first one made enough money for a sequel but aside form that, there have been multiple failures.  Hell, the VERY first FF movie wasn't even released and is only available on bootleg.  How is that in any way comparable?

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Transformers is awful but somehow its got several billion dollar entries. No one will ever accuse it of being good - but it is profitable.

True, but every TF movie has made a shit ton of money.  Like record-breaking amounts of money, mostly coming from Chinese audiences who, for whatever reason, really love seeing giant robots punch each other.  None of the DC movies have made that much money.

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« Reply #147 on: November 20, 2017, 09:47:54 PM »
Damn it made less than what was thought a little under 94 mill.

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« Reply #148 on: November 20, 2017, 10:53:40 PM »
At a 282$ million global box office Justice League is on pace to make around 800$million.

No it isnt. Actuals are being revised down from estimates because it is already showing signs of poor legs.

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Keep in mind, the release was the week BEFORE Thanksgiving and there could be a large contingent of people traveling. I expect the follow up weekend to be strong.

I dont expect it to be terrible, mostly because of the fact that bigger openings are prone to fall harder, even with well-liked films, purely because of saturation. But i dont expect this to hang around - if nothing else its now being caught up in a ton of negative publicity around its soft opening weekend.

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Second factor and what I consider to be the real risk: Pirates of the Caribbean, Fast and the Furious, and Transformers are all getting higher foreign box office returns and dwindling domestic returns, They're still hitting the 1 billion dollar mark frequently on spectactle.

The last Transformers film barely cracked 600 million WW. The last Pirates couldn't do 800 million.  These are franchises in decline - both domestically and overseas.

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If Warner keeps making money, and make no mistake; after you factor in blu-ray, netflix, and all other forms of income, this will be a profitable movie, they don't have much reason to change.

1 Its far from clear at this point that this will be a profitable film.
2 The idea that the people at WB are sitting around the office today saying "Hey - if it ain't broke...." is absurd.

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« Reply #149 on: November 21, 2017, 12:21:23 AM »
Hope remains in these guys.







Fuck those Justice League losers