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Tarantino might be doing a Star Trek

Mightily Oats

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Re: Tarantino might be doing a Star Trek
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2017, 11:59:57 PM »
"The passage from the Bible that Jules has memorized was mostly made up by Quentin Tarantino and Samuel L. Jackson. The first part about the righteous man and the tyranny of evil men is a direct quote from Ezekiel 25:17. However the second half, "And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger. And you will know My name is the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon thee," is not real. It's likely that Tarantino actually included it as a reference to the Sonny Chiba film Karate Kiba (1976) as the quote is almost word for word from the opening scene. Tarantino has also said that he is big fan of the actor and is therefore likely to have seen the movie."

One of his most famous lines isn't even his

Included it as a reference? Fuuuuuck you

The alternative would've just been a direct quote from the Bible.  Is that any different?
Absolutely, yes, because it was supposed to be that

Not sure what you thought your point was

Jules even specifically mentions, in the movie, the passage of the Bible he's (supposed to be) specifically quoting

If a character says "As such and such said, (actual quote)" that's literally not plagiarism

My point is that he's quoting something, no matter what, so what does it matter if it's from the actual source or a movie that misquoted the actual source?  I mean, if Jules went on his own rant and it was revealed QT took that rant from another movie, I could see why they would bug you.  The rant was never presented as anything but a quote.
You don't understand the difference between a quote and plagiarism

That's not a question

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Re: Tarantino might be doing a Star Trek
« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2017, 12:35:33 AM »
I know the difference between a reference and plagiarism.  Especially since a plagiarist would try not to get caught.  Unless you think Tarantino is really fucking dumb, he's not going to quote a fake Bible verse that exists in another movie unless he knows people will eventually get the reference.

If the Sonny Chiba movie had a dude quoting the fake Bible verse before killing people, then that would be a rip-off.  The movie had that passage as the opening crawl (apparently a mismatch of two different passages).  Tarantino referenced that by having his character quoting the same fake verse when he could have used a real one.
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Re: Tarantino might be doing a Star Trek
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2017, 03:14:31 AM »
I’m not really a cinemaphile either. I know what I like but that’s as sophisticated as my reviews tend to be.

I think Tarantino’s praise tends to be for his writing, because it tends to be edgy/profanity-laden/irreverent, and that seems to be where his “influences” (my take) seem to shine.
See that's another conflation of things.

His "influences" are usually scenes that he stole wholesale off of other people, and his original dialog is where you can find his "voice"

But you know what, the scenes people really remember are the shit he stole off of other people.
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I like him more for his directing, which I think has gotten better and better. Some of the scenes from Hateful Eight were just gorgeous and majestic.
And very probably ripped off.

I will admit I haven't seen the movie.
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I also think he’s fantastic at setting up character studies, where the plot really is secondary to the character interactions. Part of that is that he picks great actors, as you say, but a lot of those great actors are in shitty films. He brings out the best in them - and I don’t know the technical details, as I’m a consumer, not a critic, and I know I’m repeating myself a bit.
Character STUDIES?

I think you're giving him way too much fucking credit on that front.

There's no study with his characters.

Stand outs and interesting/engaging? Absolutely.

But there's no deep study into any character he has ever written, at least in so far as his writing ever delves into.

He actually writes the most basic bitch characters ever. And that's what makes them engaging. Archetypes. Nothing wrong with that.

But when his archetype's best moments come from a completely different person that he ripped off, or have a ridiculous monologue based on Tarantino's own philosophies? Fuck off
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In that sense he reminds me a lot of Garth Ennis. Like Ennis, his love of profanity and irreverence is what initially attracts people. Like Ennis, sometimes this impulse gets the best of him, to his own detriment. And like Ennis, there are few people who do character studies better.
I agree that he's like Ennis in that he goes for big and bombastic and that's appealing, and I also agree that Ennis gets way too up his own butthole.

But Ennis does actually explore characters in all their depth and gravity, and Tarantino does not at all.

But god bless the Bear Jew, I guess.
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I would be VERY interested in his take on Star Trek. And not because I want to see Kirk dropping the future version of N bombs on Klingons, or Bones talk to Spock about the best way to eat Ferengi pussy. I want to see it because I think he’ll direct a space story that feels like it’s in SPACE as opposed to some movie set. I think he’ll direct an Enterprise crew that seems like actual characters instead of caricatures.
And that's great, but Star Trek is actually about character studies and complicated philosophies and deep existential questions

I genuinely think he'd do his usual "snappy" dialog shit and rob his sci fi shit from someone else without ever actually touching on what makes Star Trek Star Trek.

JJ Abrams homogenized the shit out of it and made it Star Trek for people who don't like Star Trek, and I think Tarantino would be another step in that same direction, but with space niggers.

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Re: Tarantino might be doing a Star Trek
« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2017, 08:05:35 AM »
"I steal from every single movie ever made. If people don't like that, then tough tills, don't go and see it, all right? I steal from everything. Great artists steal, they don't do homages." -- The man himself

UNIQUE

All I'm saying is that Tarantino should have the balls & respect to actually give credit & acknowledge those he's taken from.
Films give credit to the artists of the songs they've used in the soundtrack...Tarantino should acknowledge the films he's blatantly taken scenes & dialogues from.

I think people would respect him more if he openly showed where his influences came from rather than fans finding out themselves that their fav QT film/scene is a complete rip off from obscurity.