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Better villain: Ledger Joker or movie Killmonger?
« on: February 24, 2018, 01:35:34 AM »
Better villain: Ledger Joker or movie Killmonger?

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Re: Better villain: Ledger Joker or movie Killmonger?
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2018, 02:06:42 AM »
Probably Ledger, as expectations were so high for Joker.
Jordan didnt have that kind of pressure/there werent other versions to compare him to.

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Re: Better villain: Ledger Joker or movie Killmonger?
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2018, 03:29:25 AM »
Aside froma few standout screnes, I wasn't overly impressed with Killmonger. And even in those aforementioned scenes, it wasn't his villlainy or malice that impressed me, but his humanity.

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Re: Better villain: Ledger Joker or movie Killmonger?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2018, 04:35:43 AM »
Joker was better.  Killmonger was a stand out bad guy because Marvel villains tend to be bland.  Ledger was a stand out version of an iconic character.  He was on another level.

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Re: Better villain: Ledger Joker or movie Killmonger?
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2018, 05:14:28 AM »
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Killmonger was a stand out bad guy because Marvel villains tend to be bland.
Great point.

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Re: Better villain: Ledger Joker or movie Killmonger?
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2018, 11:08:43 AM »
Ledger’s Joker was holy-shit-good. Not for to put Killmonger up against that. MBJ delivered an amazing performance and was great. Not on Ledgers level though

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Re: Better villain: Ledger Joker or movie Killmonger?
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2018, 01:52:01 PM »
Ledger's Joker is insanely overrated.

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Re: Better villain: Ledger Joker or movie Killmonger?
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2018, 02:18:39 PM »
How so?

Personally i think he's rated about right. Granted, Ledger's death lent something to the overall reception of the character (and likely the Oscar), but, the performance surely deserved the accolades its gotten over the years.

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Re: Better villain: Ledger Joker or movie Killmonger?
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2018, 04:11:57 PM »
How so?

Personally i think he's rated about right. Granted, Ledger's death lent something to the overall reception of the character (and likely the Oscar), but, the performance surely deserved the accolades its gotten over the years.
Because the performance wasn't actually as good as people claim. He was one of my favorite actors, but his take was interesting. That's it.

His death pushed the performance into some kind of "legend" status. Not unheard of. Performer deaths tend to lionize one of their final performances. It is better than the majority of Marvel movie villain performances though.

Killmonger's motivation was great, but the performance itself was middling.

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Re: Better villain: Ledger Joker or movie Killmonger?
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2018, 04:20:56 PM »
Okey doke, thanks.

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