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That Superman vs. Hal Jordan argument

Rufio

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Re: Re: New comic stuff worth talking about but not worth its own thread
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2017, 07:51:35 PM »
What? Superman casually takes all all of Hal's attacks who is now more powerful than ever and gave him a concussion while holding back in fear of breaking his neck.
Superman looked a whole level above Hal. He overpowered Hal in energy projection which he has never done and even a total suckerpunch in New 52 didn't give Hal a concussion.

So you have no rebuttal to the fact that Hal earlier slammed into Superman, then matched him in grappling, then knocked him down?  Understood.

The mind-controlled, sub-par Hal got back to his feet almost immediately after that "concussion." Hal in his right mind was down for pages when he got clocked by Superman in Nu 52.

He isn't bloodied or anything.

So because Superman isn't bloodied, he took the hits "casually?" Even on the panel where he's flat on his back, not getting up while Hal lectures to him?

By that logic, do you agree that Hal took the concussion "casually" since he also wasn't bloodied?


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In the Nu 52 encounter, Superman easily broke Hal's chains and immediately had him in retreat. Hal was worried that he could be killed in that encounter.

That was a less powerful and less experienced Hal. Wonder Woman broke his constructs as well.

Also Superman didn't give him a concussion essentially holding back and did not fear for killing him with one full power punch.
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Here, Superman ran into Hal at high speed and failed to overpower him. He then grappled with Hal and failed to overpower him. The grapple was broken by Hal restraining him and beating him to the ground.  Those moments of the fight were direct power exchanges that look much better for Hal than any moment in their Nu 52 encounter.


That is merely Hal hallucinating. Superman was trying to calm him down and when he had enough, he essentially oneshots Hal and gives him a concussion.

There was nothing of the sort of overpowering or did you think Superman was giving off yellow light as well?

So you're ignoring the fight that preceded, including Hal and Superman slamming into one another at high speed? 

I guess this is like the theory that Superman actually "oneshot" Doomsday despite the fight that preceded.


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You seem to be inferring far too much from Superman using X-Ray vision to see if Hal had head injuries *after* the mind control was broken. That comment does not logically say anything about whether Superman was holding back more than he usually does usual *before* throwing the punch that broke the mind control.


This is such an ass backward logic only you could use it. Superman feared that he could break Hal's neck with one punch and gave him a concussion by equivalent of a love tap.

But you are totally ignoring what happened in actual sense and going by Hal's illusions?

Please cite where you are getting the idea that the punch was a "love tap."

While you're at it, please explain where Superman said anything about holding back to avoid breaking Hal's neck.  It appears that you've pulled that claim out of your ass (as usual).

Superman worried he might've broken Hal's "head" when Hal--who was mind-controlled and seeing things--suddenly asked what was going on. 


« Last Edit: October 12, 2017, 07:56:25 PM by Rufio »

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Re: Re: New comic stuff worth talking about but not worth its own thread
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2017, 10:23:47 PM »
I don't give any credit to Wonder Woman beating Superman when he's fighting like he thinks it's Doomsday. I don't give credit to Superman when Hal's fighting like he thinks it's Parallax.
I hate getting into a dick measuring contest between you and Abhi but nevertheless the truth is somewhere in-between your interpretation and Abhi.

     There's a big difference between SM who fought WW like he tought he was fighting DD. For 1 thing DD can't fly and had no tactics just SPD, STR & rage, WW could fly, is extremely skilled at HTH, has tactics and possessed  powers like animal control DD didn't possess. Therefore you're correct therefore in your dismissal of SM losing.

      Now a Parallax possessed SM will fight basically the same as a non possessed SM. In fact it's a valid assumption to  infer Hal didn't hold back against SM, in a similar manner that SM didn't hold back against what he perceive was DD killing LL. Nevertheless the tactics Hal used WERE from his usual playbook. There's nothing to infer had Hal fought SM he would have fought differently or for that matter he held back, in fact the opposite is true SM is DC strongest hero the very fact that Hal was able to last even a couple seconds in arm wrestling contest would suggest SM wasn't going all out.
          Therefore  Abhi is wrong SM didn't dominate the fight b/c he was surprised, nevertheless he's  somewhat right in the  fact that had the fight continued SM would have clearly done so.  Based on DC  history Hal can at best give SM a challenge, SM baring  PIS will always beat GL and can be argued  could easily take on several to several dozen and come out on top.

                           Having said all of this lets not derail this thread further into another SM is great and no he isn't argument.

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Re: That Superman vs. Hal Jordan argument
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2017, 01:19:44 AM »
So......basically it was a Hal who thinks he's fighting Parallax (and we're seeing this through his POV) vs. a surprised Superman who doesn't really want to hurt Hal as he's not sure what's going on.............
Yeah. Jimmy here thinks Hal was actually overpowering Superman who was trying to beat down Hal or something.

Fucking idiot.

Please point out where I said "Hal was overpowering Superman" and that "Superman was trying to beat down Hal."

Or admit that you're a liar.
Hey there snake eyes.

 Hal restrains and knocks Superman down, hits him a couple time and stands over him.

What is that?

Abhilegend

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Re: That Superman vs. Hal Jordan argument
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2017, 01:36:03 AM »
What? Superman casually takes all all of Hal's attacks who is now more powerful than ever and gave him a concussion while holding back in fear of breaking his neck.
Superman looked a whole level above Hal. He overpowered Hal in energy projection which he has never done and even a total suckerpunch in New 52 didn't give Hal a concussion.

So you have no rebuttal to the fact that Hal earlier slammed into Superman, then matched him in grappling, then knocked him down?  Understood.


It didn't happen that way moron. Superman only hit him once as per his words.

http://postimg.org/image/1z33cu4h2j/

Rest was all illusions in Hal's mind.

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The mind-controlled, sub-par Hal got back to his feet almost immediately after that "concussion." Hal in his right mind was down for pages when he got clocked by Superman in Nu 52.


Hal wasn't shown down in New 52 and certainly wasn't in a concussion. You really don't know what a concussion is, do you?

https://www.google.co.in/search?q=concussion&client=ms-opera-mini-android&channel=new&gws_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=4k3gWfDVJIj5vgSP4r-oCg

It is way worse than a simple knock out in comics. Educate yourself.

He isn't bloodied or anything.

So because Superman isn't bloodied, he took the hits "casually?" Even on the panel where he's flat on his back, not getting up while Hal lectures to him?[/quote]

Again illusion moron. A surprised Superman can be knocked down by Hal. New 52 Hal was drawing blood from Superman with every hit. Not here.

And yes, it was rather casually how he took his attacks and beat him down.

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By that logic, do you agree that Hal took the concussion "casually" since he also wasn't bloodied?


Are you this retarded from birth or was it after a casual concussion?


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In the Nu 52 encounter, Superman easily broke Hal's chains and immediately had him in retreat. Hal was worried that he could be killed in that encounter.

That was a less powerful and less experienced Hal. Wonder Woman broke his constructs as well.

Also Superman didn't give him a concussion essentially holding back and did not fear for killing him with one full power punch.
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Here, Superman ran into Hal at high speed and failed to overpower him. He then grappled with Hal and failed to overpower him. The grapple was broken by Hal restraining him and beating him to the ground.  Those moments of the fight were direct power exchanges that look much better for Hal than any moment in their Nu 52 encounter.


Those did not happen idiot. Superman says he hit him only once.

But I like how you downplay Superman giving Hal a concussion while heavily holding back in fear of killing him in one punch.

While accepting Hal's words as Superman was actually about to kill him in New 52.


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That is merely Hal hallucinating. Superman was trying to calm him down and when he had enough, he essentially oneshots Hal and gives him a concussion.

There was nothing of the sort of overpowering or did you think Superman was giving off yellow light as well?

So you're ignoring the fight that preceded, including Hal and Superman slamming into one another at high speed? 


Hey moron, Superman was able to give Hal concussion with a holding back punch but a high speed slam didn't do anything to him?

Are you sure you are not retarded?

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I guess this is like the theory that Superman actually "oneshot" Doomsday despite the fight that preceded.


There was no fight moron. Hal blasted Superman a bunch of times and Superman oneshots him.

It helps if you can actually read.




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You seem to be inferring far too much from Superman using X-Ray vision to see if Hal had head injuries *after* the mind control was broken. That comment does not logically say anything about whether Superman was holding back more than he usually does usual *before* throwing the punch that broke the mind control.


This is such an ass backward logic only you could use it. Superman feared that he could break Hal's neck with one punch and gave him a concussion by equivalent of a love tap.

But you are totally ignoring what happened in actual sense and going by Hal's illusions?

Please cite where you are getting the idea that the punch was a "love tap."
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Holding back in fear of killing Hal? "Essentially a love tap".

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While you're at it, please explain where Superman said anything about holding back to avoid breaking Hal's neck.  It appears that you've pulled that claim out of your ass (as usual).


Hahaha, you haven't actually read the scans? Surprise!!!

http://postimg.org/image/1z33cu4h2j/

"I used my x-ray vision to make sure I didn't break your neck".

Superman was talking about his punch before he hit Hal.


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Superman worried he might've broken Hal's "head" when Hal--who was mind-controlled and seeing things--suddenly asked what was going on. 



You certainly can't read, can you?