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How should progressive run in the next primary
« on: October 11, 2017, 11:27:32 AM »
Seem like tulsa or Bernie what people here going for. Go more for Tulsa but what should be the stragedy. What would you advise them if they were running against the following


BIDEN

BOOKER

Kamilla

Warren- Who I argue is one of the most progressive dems but fuck it put her in there

Cuban

The Rock



To me Biden that the greatest obstacle. Experence. Does better with miniority groups..that super important in a dem primary. Actully does Well with Rural voters. Can point to pollls that he does Better against Trump then any other canidate.  He likable..will get obama and michelle openly back him during the dem primary probally..where they are extremly popular. And they would do it fully.  media loves him. Also he going to run. He seem like he feels he would of beat both Hillary and Trump. Right or wrong that what he thinks.

Tulsa can take the minority vote but not sure about the Rural.  Bernie can take the rural vote from him but not sure about minority

So to combat it would make it clear...who the VP going to be very early on. That it maybe a Bernie, and Tulsa ticket. Which sadly might mean only one can run for the primary out of fear it may split the vote between them. Say it should be Tulsa because she hot right now. Also with her Biden more likely to slip and comment "Wow you really well spoken"  or give a creepy massage

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Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2017, 07:41:44 PM »
They should run by having a progressive platform.  It shouldn't be hard to beat Trump.

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Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 08:10:37 PM »
They should run by having a progressive platform.  It shouldn't be hard to beat Trump.

I mean in the primary

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Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2017, 08:56:24 PM »
I think his statement still stands.

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Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 01:17:05 PM »
Say it should be Tulsa because she hot right now.

Isn't Bernie the most popular politician in the country for like the past year+? Tulsi may be beloved by those who know her, but it would take some doing to get on Bernie's current level. The only other political figure that even comes close to him in belovedness I think is Michelle Obama (maybe Barry's up there now too? He certainly is looking better and better to many people given the current pres). Of course the other side is that there's a lot of bad blood from the more centrist camps, I know not you, but I've read comments that are probably reflective of a good percentage who buy into the HRC, "It's really Bernie's fault I didn't win" logic.

That pool you put forth is pretty weak apart from Biden and Warren. I don't see Warren running against other, more progressive candidates and vice versa, I think if she ran the truer progressives that you cite i.e. Bernie and Tulsi would probably hang back.

Booker lost a lot of progressive cred with more recent moves, and while he's a favorite son of the Democratic party these days, if Biden runs, Booker doesn't have much of a chance. Biden would be tough to beat for anyone I think. He went from that loose cannon drunk uncle VP to Obama's BFF and in a way the nations BFF--he has the city liberal elites, the rural areas, and the people who liked Bernie but "just couldn't vote for him because they didn't think he could win." Any public opinion negatives of Biden are long gone and he's pretty solid at the moment by my gauging of the Zeitgeist. Of course give him the spotlight and that loose cannon is bound to appear again, but somehow it doesn't seem like people mind loose cannons as much these days.

As to Cuban and Rock, I just don't see that "no experience but I'm a popular celeb so vote for me" thing happening, but maybe thats the direction we're heading in after the most recent election? Though I think more of Trump winning has to do with how unpopular Hillary was/is more than him being beloved (and of course electoral college etc). but he received significantly less votes than previous Republican candidates like Romney. It's just that Hillary also received significantly less votes as well. It was a real election of "fuck this" for more Americans than usual I think. A real toughie.


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Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 01:52:48 PM »
Say it should be Tulsa because she hot right now.

Isn't Bernie the most popular politician in the country for like the past year+? Tulsi may be beloved by those who know her, but it would take some doing to get on Bernie's current level. The only other political figure that even comes close to him in belovedness I think is Michelle Obama (maybe Barry's up there now too? He certainly is looking better and better to many people given the current pres). Of course the other side is that there's a lot of bad blood from the more centrist camps, I know not you, but I've read comments that are probably reflective of a good percentage who buy into the HRC, "It's really Bernie's fault I didn't win" logic.

That pool you put forth is pretty weak apart from Biden and Warren. I don't see Warren running against other, more progressive candidates and vice versa, I think if she ran the truer progressives that you cite i.e. Bernie and Tulsi would probably hang back.

Booker lost a lot of progressive cred with more recent moves, and while he's a favorite son of the Democratic party these days, if Biden runs, Booker doesn't have much of a chance. Biden would be tough to beat for anyone I think. He went from that loose cannon drunk uncle VP to Obama's BFF and in a way the nations BFF--he has the city liberal elites, the rural areas, and the people who liked Bernie but "just couldn't vote for him because they didn't think he could win." Any public opinion negatives of Biden are long gone and he's pretty solid at the moment by my gauging of the Zeitgeist. Of course give him the spotlight and that loose cannon is bound to appear again, but somehow it doesn't seem like people mind loose cannons as much these days.

As to Cuban and Rock, I just don't see that "no experience but I'm a popular celeb so vote for me" thing happening, but maybe thats the direction we're heading in after the most recent election? Though I think more of Trump winning has to do with how unpopular Hillary was/is more than him being beloved (and of course electoral college etc). but he received significantly less votes than previous Republican candidates like Romney. It's just that Hillary also received significantly less votes as well. It was a real election of "fuck this" for more Americans than usual I think. A real toughie.

Tulsa just seem on the rise. Got some foreign affairs experence. Younger...hate to say it but thats a factor.  Got the women vote, got the miniority vote. Has less of battle scars as you say.  And it helps to have  an OFFICIAL D by her name for some of the higher ups and the media.  Only issue is "What she a woman and the miniory...This SJW bullshit is why I voted for Trump".  But those guys voting for Trump anyway.


As for Rock and Cuban..just put them in there because they are being talked about right now.  Minus for them is I dont think Dems are anti experence and or got as big a beef..against  "Intellectural elite"  as some Right wing guys that help Trump

Since they tend to be more PRO goverment and dont mind a sprinkle of socialism. Even the guy we deemed our bigger outsider..Bernie was in goverment for decades. We tend not to pick some random asshole off the street. So not sure a a democratic Trump would fly really acting like Trump

The greatest Hope is America pass the FUCK this stage. Because some of the people who wanted to tossed a brick through the window methphorically...are now getting surprise how sucky he is. Sure a lot of people assume he would suck. But  I dont not if they knew just how quickly their distain for him would Build. He actully lives up to the negative hype.  It just his 30 percent are GURANTEED voters. And their votes electoraly might count more.  And who know what Trump voting commission will do to voting rights so it going to be hard


So I personaly would pick the a Bernie or Tulsa type because it would united the party. Since it peole who like Biden..but dont know if they OR BUST about it.  They may be like me where "as long as i agree with 95 percent of thier polices..and think they an get it done...good enough. Namely if their going against a guy i disagree with 95 percent of the time"

Now if it Warren winning..and people going to Go or Bust..then i just dont get them man.


So to beat Biden..(who I actully like but rooting for the more progressive this)

Require working the black vote which means going to church..telling their story and polices.  Yes did that before..but Bernie was new not many people know about them...you got a few years now. Have a good southern stragedy, and base there. Work the Hispanic vote right now going on spansih language shows. Fight Dacca as hard as they can. Fight for Puetro Rico. makes the rounds.  Maybe practice debate stuff, have some litle more explanation of hows of certains Bills and ideas

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Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 01:57:36 PM »
Bernie just needs to walk around with hot sauce in his pocket to get the black vote.  They are easily swayed by nonsense.

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Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 02:02:11 PM »
Bernie just needs to walk around with hot sauce in his pocket to get the black vote.  They are easily swayed by nonsense.

Either way, got to do something. cant win the dems primary without having a significant amount of them

Right now Biden has it, and Booker even more

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Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2017, 05:48:21 PM »
Bernie just needs to walk around with hot sauce in his pocket to get the black vote.  They are easily swayed by nonsense.

Either way, got to do something. cant win the dems primary without having a significant amount of them

Right now Biden has it, and Booker even more

I get Biden, but damn on the Booker support. I mean, wtf? Did Hillary 2016 really not sink in as a lesson? (Then again, seeing what I have from corporate media, it seems it has not.)

Anyway for progressives, get out there with unabashed policy specifics that are easy to communicate and digest for the average person.

- Medicare for all!
- A living wage!
- "Free" College!
- End the interventionist wars
- Get money out of politics (Mention the Koch Brothers often.)
- Legalize, regulate, and tax marijuana
- End the "lock em up" for profit incarceration system.
- End tax welfare for corporations, and rich individuals.
- Rebuild America's infrastructure (Which over time has received grades of D & D+ by the American Society of Civil Engineers.) Look at this shit, it is a national disgrace.

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Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2017, 06:34:34 PM »
Bernie just needs to walk around with hot sauce in his pocket to get the black vote.  They are easily swayed by nonsense.

Either way, got to do something. cant win the dems primary without having a significant amount of them

Right now Biden has it, and Booker even more

I get Biden, but damn on the Booker support. I mean, wtf? Did Hillary 2016 really not sink in as a lesson? (Then again, seeing what I have from corporate media, it seems it has not.)

Anyway for progressives, get out there with unabashed policy specifics that are easy to communicate and digest for the average person.

- Medicare for all!
- A living wage!
- "Free" College!
- End the interventionist wars
- Get money out of politics (Mention the Koch Brothers often.)
- Legalize, regulate, and tax marijuana
- End the "lock em up" for profit incarceration system.
- End tax welfare for corporations, and rich individuals.
- Rebuild America's infrastructure (Which over time has received grades of D & D+ by the American Society of Civil Engineers.) Look at this shit, it is a national disgrace.




well all i can speak for is how he was in jersey.  people just generaly like some of the decesion he made for the state and how he webt at republicans and talk to the communication with the community

which you got to do. you got to work tge churches and shit. may seem dumb. but is it any more dumb then going to a bowling alley and having to be seen drinking a beer

now crante Booker been pissing people off as of late witg that drug bill

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Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2017, 06:39:27 PM »
Bernie just needs to walk around with hot sauce in his pocket to get the black vote.  They are easily swayed by nonsense.

Either way, got to do something. cant win the dems primary without having a significant amount of them

Right now Biden has it, and Booker even more

Booker is black, so all other blacks will mindlessly support him.  Even if he's a pile of shit.

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Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2017, 06:49:25 PM »
Mindless group think is really hurting the nation. That type of approach by feminists helped give the Democrats Hillary. Which, added to redneck stupidity for voting for anyone with an R next to their name, gave the world President Dump.
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Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2017, 06:55:56 PM »
Get rid of civil forfeiture. Make this a very public mission. I don't think ANYONE likes it aside from police unions.

Legalize marijuana on the federal level.

Address the opioid crisis.

Get rid of private prisons.

Let go of identity politics and gender politics.




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Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2017, 07:36:09 PM »
Mindless group think is really hurting the nation. That type of approach by feminists helped give the Democrats Hillary. Which, added to redneck stupidity for voting for anyone with an R next to their name, gave the world President Dump.

It really is.  It's always existed hard on the republican side, but the dems are really forming their own shade of shit over the last decade.

SJWs, people who get outraged over everything, feminists, race warriors, etc. 

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Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2017, 07:37:27 PM »
Get rid of civil forfeiture. Make this a very public mission. I don't think ANYONE likes it aside from police unions.

Legalize marijuana on the federal level.

Address the opioid crisis.

Get rid of private prisons.

Let go of identity politics and gender politics.



I agree with all of these.