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Can trump pardon himself
« on: July 22, 2017, 11:44:27 AM »
since it being considered

is it one of those rules president can do...but past presidents didnt do out of common decency.

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Re: Can trump pardon himself
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2017, 03:40:13 PM »
No. Presidents can only pardon people after they have been convicted, and if he's convicted he instantly loses his pardoning powers.

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Re: Can trump pardon himself
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2017, 03:55:11 PM »
Yes pardoning isn't an instant. Its a sorcery.

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Re: Can trump pardon himself
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2017, 08:08:31 PM »
No. Presidents can only pardon people after they have been convicted, and if he's convicted he instantly loses his pardoning powers.

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Re: Can trump pardon himself
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2017, 11:38:26 PM »
No. Presidents can only pardon people after they have been convicted, and if he's convicted he instantly loses his pardoning powers.

Had Nixon been convicted when Ford pardoned him?


Also found this.
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/01/05/opinion/l-constitution-allows-pardons-before-conviction-590688.html
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The leading Supreme Court case is Ex parte Garland (1867). Justice Stephen J. Field, writing for the Court in a 5-4 decision, held that the President's pardoning power is ''unlimited,'' and ''It extends to every offense known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.''
In Murphy v. Ford (1975), a Federal District Court in Michigan rejected a suit for a declaratory judgment that President Ford's unconditional pardon of Richard M. Nixon was unconstitutional. The court found that the President had the constitutional power to grant a pre-indictment pardon, citing Ex parte Garland in its support.

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Re: Can trump pardon himself
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2017, 11:46:46 PM »
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jul/21/4-questions-about-presidential-pardon-power/


Apparently it's unknown whether or not a President can pardon himself. The only limit that it really says is in the case of impeachment, and that it's only used in cases against the United States, so only federal criminal cases. So state level offenses could play a part.

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Re: Can trump pardon himself
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2017, 11:53:22 AM »
I looked it up. Ford pardoned Nixon to prevent indictment so it is an instant.

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Re: Can trump pardon himself
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2017, 08:40:59 PM »
I doubt the President can pardon himself, but Pence would 100% pardon Trump.
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Re: Can trump pardon himself
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2017, 01:43:24 AM »
The president can pardon someone who hasn't been convicted.

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Re: Can trump pardon himself
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2017, 01:49:26 AM »
I doubt the President can pardon himself, but Pence would 100% pardon Trump.

Yeah, I get the feeling that, if Trump were ever removed from office, Pence would pardon him.

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Re: Can trump pardon himself
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2017, 07:13:20 PM »
to me the question is what the supreme court would say. Think they say yes.