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Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?

Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?
« on: July 12, 2017, 11:59:17 AM »
Out of the two, which arch-nemesis has done the better job of making Peter's life shitty?

Does the Superior Spider-Man mind-swap etc elevate Otto to top Spidey villain, or does killing Gwen, Ben Reilly etc still see Norman as the number one cuntbag in Parker's life?


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Re: Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2017, 04:49:18 PM »
After Superior, that is a tough one.  One thing I appreciate about Slott is that he made a conscious effort to put Ock back in the running for Arch-Enemy.

That said, though, and as much as I hate to do it, I'd say Osborn.  The people who built off the Goblin legacy (Harry, Roderick Kinglsey, etc.) have done much more damage to Peter's life than those who likewise built off the Octopus legacy (Stunner, Carolyn Trainer, etc.)  Also, I think even Superior wasn't as emotionally shattering as the Clone Saga, where he lost his daughter, MC2 notwithstanding.

Though I much prefer Otto.
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Re: Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2017, 05:59:45 PM »
The Green Goblin probably due to Gwen's death and the fact the most of the goblins were people previously close to Peter.  Also, the GG persona spawned Hobgoblin and other gobbys who are iconic villains in their own right.

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Re: Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2017, 12:54:47 AM »
The Green Goblin probably due to Gwen's death and the fact the most of the goblins were people previously close to Peter.  Also, the GG persona spawned Hobgoblin and other gobbys who are iconic villains in their own right.
Yeah, Ock has to settle for not #1.





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Re: Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2017, 06:38:54 PM »
Ock ruined his relationship with Black Cat.

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Re: Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2017, 06:42:48 PM »
^^^which is why he's not #1.





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Re: Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2017, 12:02:39 AM »
Ock ruined his relationship with Black Cat.
Goblin cucked Parker with his one true love..before killing her...and he didn't find out for years... I still can't believe that shit was actually printed.

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Re: Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2017, 01:01:24 AM »
Ock ruined his relationship with Black Cat.
Goblin cucked Parker with his one true love..before killing her...and he didn't find out for years... I still can't believe that shit was actually printed.

The really crazy part was that originally, they were just supposed to be Peter and Gwen's kids, but Joe Quesada wanted a virgin Spider-Man who is unmarried and still lives with his aunt, so it was changed mid-story so one of the kids just randomly looks like Peter for no reason.

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Re: Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2017, 03:58:23 AM »
Man?  I'm thinking Doc here he did talk to Aunt may at one time. 
And when Parker came back around to being able to see what Doc was doing he was on the way to losing his conscience and could only watch when he became aware of what Doc was doing and had taken control. 
That really had to be a mind fuck. 
But, then Doc I do believe is a bit more altruistic in comparison Norman.  And is has proven that's he's willing to sacrifice himself for others as he did in the clone conspiracy against Reilly. 

Don't forget the team Doc solo'd with his adamantium arms.

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Re: Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2017, 06:53:08 AM »
Still doesnt compare to GG IMHO.
And that last (the team solo) has no bearing on anything whatsoever.





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Re: Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2017, 11:25:07 PM »
I think, despite Ock's best efforts, that to those in the know, it kind of always has to be Norman

He's his Lex Luthor.


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Re: Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2017, 12:01:46 AM »
I think, despite Ock's best efforts, that to those in the know, it kind of always has to be Norman

He's his Lex Luthor.

Agreed, the really well-established arch-villains are rarely (if ever) supplanted. 

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Re: Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2017, 12:25:49 AM »
I think, despite Ock's best efforts, that to those in the know, it kind of always has to be Norman

He's his Lex Luthor.

Agreed, the really well-established arch-villains are rarely (if ever) supplanted.
I cant really think of it happening offhand, though i'm sure it has.





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Re: Doc Ock vs Green Goblin - bigger impact on Spidey?
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2017, 10:22:25 AM »
Daredevil had what, Owl and the Purple Man and they were supplanted by Kingpin and Bullseye.