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Julian Assange(& new Ralph Nadar thoughts) : Why the Dem Party is doomed

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Re: Julian Assange : Why the Democratic party is doomed
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2017, 08:16:06 PM »
^^^^^^

Kyle Kulinski, right on cue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wzC5A6Dgk8
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Re: Julian Assange : Why the Democratic party is doomed
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2017, 09:17:10 PM »
what hurts is some of that stuff popular in places where it hurts the people there the most

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Re: Julian Assange : Why the Democratic party is doomed
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2017, 10:47:06 PM »
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Trump is probably guilty of conflict of interests.  It's bad, but the Dems are being ridiculous by acting as if we're in the second Cold War and the media has picked up on it for ratings.

I'd rather the Dems focus on cleaner water or police brutality.

Trump was guilty of conflict of interests ton January 20th. He owns buildings in Turkey and he has investments in Egypt. I don't think his travel ban was crafted aroundf his own personal interests, but it does LOOK suspicious that Saudi Arabia, a country which has invested in Trump properties and put 15 of the 19 9/11 attackers on planes gets off scot free while the poorest, non-worthwhile investments are all subjects of the travel ban

Nevertheless.....

In my mind there is no doubt that Trump has shady business ties regarding finance and likely Russian financiers. His own son admitted as much when he declared that his father does "so much business with the Russians!" That can only be interpreted a Russian money flowing into purchases of real estate for money laundering, which wouldn't necessarily incriminate el Donald but more likely also involves cash for development, which would

Having said that the initial complaint was about his campaigns collusion with Russia. This seems pretty common sense as well. Roger Stone admitted to back door channels with Russian hackers and the Podesta leaks - which had an even more dmamging effect on Clinton's campaign than Hillary being an awful candidate did

This could have been all cleared up if the investigation had found out who'd created the back door channels and Trump had left it at that. He himself wasn't the center of the investigation. If he'd let an one of the already known corrupt elements take the fall - Paul "I've worked for Pro-Kremlin campaigns in Ukraine" Manafort or any of the other merry men had been investigated and convicted it would have been the end of it

That melting orange cyst had to go ahead and fire Comey, declare it was about Russia on national tv and proceed to threaten him - the director of the FBI.

I would be shocked if some dirty money wasn't found. ANYONE who is doing considerable business with Rusian oligarchs is by nature doing something shady. Throw in any of the other high-powered finaciers who likely buy and reselo real estae as a money laundering tactic and you have a serious case of financial fraud and likely obstruction of justice.

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Re: Julian Assange : Why the Democratic party is doomed
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2017, 07:21:19 AM »
^^^^^^

Kyle Kulinski, right on cue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wzC5A6Dgk8

Always great to hear from him.  Jimmy Dore also chimed in on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm_2xZ60ibc

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Re: Julian Assange : Why the Democratic party is doomed
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2017, 03:57:57 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKJhDasH1hE

Looks like the New York Times redacted their initial report that 17 intelligence agencies saw collusion between Trump and Russia.

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Re: Julian Assange : Why the Democratic party is doomed
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2017, 10:01:35 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKJhDasH1hE

Looks like the New York Times redacted their initial report that 17 intelligence agencies saw collusion between Trump and Russia.
Lmaooo. It's laughable that anyone buys this blatant deflection.

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Re: Julian Assange : Why the Democratic party is doomed
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2017, 12:43:16 PM »
All these redactions by major news outlets is really eroding what little confidence people had left in them.


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Re: Julian Assange : Why the Democratic party is doomed
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2017, 01:06:42 PM »
To me Russian Thing is important for various reasons. First you got to take  Hillary and the dems out of it..because their hated. Hell got to take the possibillty of trump being impeach, because with a republican house and senate

But it important because it for the NEXT elections.  Seem Russian been trying to fuck with various election
Who to say they wont do it in 2018 and 2020
There talks they least TRIED to hack into machine and registration.  Sure they failed...but who to say if we do nothing now..they wont succeed next time. I mean we already got a deifcet with the electoral college..making the left having to multi million vote buffer to win. This just about defense of the voting system.

And it doesnt help that Trump seem like he TRYING to look guilty.  At time it seem like he was TRYING to lose. Now that he failed it like he TRYING to be impeach. Since the conflict of interest seem to be openly criminal..and the obstruction of Jusitce an obvious crime. Dont see how what he did not obstruction of Justice. The fact he may slide on it...kind of fucked up. Since it so blantant

Now some might say. Well we hacked people. This is true. But as I said we also drone people, but if a country drone us..it would like to have a serious investigation.  I would understand  it the news made that thier main story.

Other might say well there other stuff we should focuse on.  There key phrase to fix that MULTI tasking. Still hear people talking about health care and trump dumb budget despite the Russia thing

Then people say well there just doing it because of liberal corprate media.  Listen if Obama fired comey during the email investigation, then admited in the interview the emails was why he did, then threaten Comey with suspose tapes..it be practilly the only story they be talking about. And you can insert any president right or left into that.

Now should it be the ONLY things the dems and the media talk about. No. Of course not.  Having no budget already effecting state around the country...and that should have some focused. So should the Travel banned being temporary back by the supreme court. Where Grandparent not consider close family members for some odd reason. Or the voting rights thing trump trying to get through that seem to be voter supression. Lot of things we should be talking about

But it still a pretty  big fucking story that shouldnt be dismiss out of hand either




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Re: Julian Assange : Why the Democratic party is doomed
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2017, 04:26:53 PM »
Its important because the Dems are fomenting WWIII to cover up their conclusively proven self admitted criminal terrorist collaborating Neo liberal corporate whore corruption. That's it.

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Re: Julian Assange : Why the Democratic party is doomed
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2017, 05:48:45 PM »
The story would be big if it were true.

Every week, there's some revelation that it wasn't quite as big as the Dems made it out to be.  The one big chunk of evidence used to be that 17 organizations all agreed (including the Coast Guard and the DEA who would have had nothing to do with Russian hacking).  Now, we find out that only 3 actually think Russia might have been involved in wikileaks.  That's pretty minor stuff compared to what people have been saying for the past few months.

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« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2017, 06:35:56 PM »
The story would be big if it were true.

Every week, there's some revelation that it wasn't quite as big as the Dems made it out to be.  The one big chunk of evidence used to be that 17 organizations all agreed (including the Coast Guard and the DEA who would have had nothing to do with Russian hacking).  Now, we find out that only 3 actually think Russia might have been involved in wikileaks.  That's pretty minor stuff compared to what people have been saying for the past few months.

But it not the only chunk
There actully tons of evidence in Russia hack the Emails. Even donal Trump  said they basicly did at this point

it just a goal post been move. First it was Russia didnt hack the DNC. Then they moved
Well no voting machine were messed with.  Turns out that might of been mess with..so they move on passed that
Then it was it was no collusion..turns out it might of been

Now it even if they did it..its not illegal

its at least enough for a real investigation. And enough where its news.  There more info coming out everyday. They would do this with anyone.

If it was president Hillary and all the stuff that went down with Trump went down with her, it be invesitgations
Same if it was president, Bernie, president Pence, President insert whoever
The dems actully been pretty low key. Consider president openly admited to obstruction of Justice. What happen to Sessions, Flyn, manifort, Kusnier, the shirt nunes pullled, and the FBI director. All of those things alone enough to be a front page news story.

Kunish tried to do a secret backdoor line of communication with Russia, his own and has conflict of interest with it. How is that NOT huge news

We wouldnt get that news if it wasnt this pressure
Session would of never recuse himself
Manfold may still be there
We might of never found out about Flynn. Namely his stuff with Turkey
Nunes may still be there
We might of not found out about the admnistration other clear corruption stuff
Or that Trump tried to pressure Comey
The mention Kunish thing
And all the finical dealing

All of these again big stories by themselves. We wouldnt have this without pressure. Even if you think this will turn out to be nothing. Wouldnt you like to make sure. I mean this stuff doesnt look suspicious least a LITTLE bit. Wouldnt you want to have people least look into it.

People forget watergate took a long ass time to prosecute.  Even then Nixion was screaming witch hunt. And that was just people breaking into a building. This is a collusion with a forieng power to fuck with an election. What to stop it from happening again

You can talk about this and still talk about Health care, the budge, drugs, the enviromen and other topis. Many other news people have

You can talk about this also without wanting to start world war 2


i get you want to talk about health care, but this in the news becuase new stuff keep coming.

Let me ask people who think they overdo this story

If your a news guy and want to talk about Russia..then he fires Comey..do you NOT talk about it
ok if you do..say you move on to something else the next day..then Trump bascly said he fire him becuase of Russia. Do you not talk about that

That be russia  stories for 2 days so you decide to stay away from the Russia story
then Comey does his hearing..what you not going to report on that
Then Kunish shows he wanted a secret channel. Do you what not report on that
Trump threaten comey with tapes..and then said tapes turn out to be bullshit..do you not talk about it
Then Trump kind of admist to extortion.  Do you not talk about it
Then The Flynn shit comes out. Do you not saying anyhting because the passed news stories already touch on it


That the situation the news is in. More shit comes out..more got to be reported on it.

And you want to talk about it today

And then Trump fire the current guy leading this investigation while tweeting

"I do the SAME to ANY one who push this thing #winning"

What do you do.  and if you think I being out there. Would you really be shocked if he did that at this point

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Re: Julian Assange : Why the Democratic party is doomed
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2017, 07:47:11 PM »
it just a goal post been move. First it was Russia didnt hack the DNC. Then they moved
Well no voting machine were messed with.  Turns out that might of been mess with..so they move on passed that
Then it was it was no collusion..turns out it might of been

And whose fault is that?

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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2017, 09:29:33 PM »
it just a goal post been move. First it was Russia didnt hack the DNC. Then they moved
Well no voting machine were messed with.  Turns out that might of been mess with..so they move on passed that
Then it was it was no collusion..turns out it might of been

And whose fault is that?

who fault about what?  Listed a couple of things

The states.  Those machine been outdated for years.   But Hell if you want to throw in the DNC. Find go ahead. DNC can be hated and the Russia trying to hack machine or influence the eleciton is something we should also protect ourselves from. Sincei it easier to influence th electoral votes then it is the popular. You only got to fuck with a few sections.

Not saying they did this time. But think they did TRY. next time they might be succesfull.  Reather it a warren, or Tulsa. Lot of people say the coprate dems against progressive..and the coprate media

But wouldnt you want a progressive running..not to have to Deal with that AND Russia or some foreignt country bullshit at the same time. Dont they have a hard enough hill to crime with voter supresison..to add shit like that on top of it


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Re: Julian Assange : Why the Democratic party is doomed
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2017, 09:33:32 PM »
An American complaining about another country corrupting its election process is inherently laughable, past the fact that this story is a BS hoax.

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Re: Julian Assange : Why the Democratic party is doomed
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2017, 09:34:35 PM »
it just a goal post been move. First it was Russia didnt hack the DNC. Then they moved
Well no voting machine were messed with.  Turns out that might of been mess with..so they move on passed that
Then it was it was no collusion..turns out it might of been

And whose fault is that?

who fault about what?

Whose fault is it that they keep changing what the Russians were guilty of?  You just admitted that they started off saying the Russians hacked the DNC emails, then suddenly it was switched to hacking the machines, then maybe collusion.  They have to keep changing the story because all of those things ended up being false or they had no evidence for it.
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