Bill Mahr dropping N-Bombs on live TV

[AP]

Why don't you identify as African American?

[AP]

Fair point.  Black Africans and Black Americans are vastly different groups of people.

[Pillow Biter]

So, the ultimate question is why have Blacks been so unable to succeed when other minorities and races have. It's quite unclear to me, other than that 'institutional racism' is clearly not the whole answer.

[AP]

First of all, Native American reservations tend to be in even worse shape than black neighborhoods.  They just don't get the coverage.

Secondly, most blacks were brought over as slaves whereas most Asians, Hispanics, etc. came over as cheap labor.  They were still oppressed and everything, but at least they were able to make a living and save up for their families.  It's hard to save up if the first few generations of your family were slaves.

[Pillow Biter]

Native Americans are a complex case. I'm no expert, but by and large, they seem to have bred into the populace. It's pretty hard to find anyone with close to pure native blood.
As for other groups, there was a different kind of selection process in terms of who got here, for sure. And many Black groups will remind us that over the years, the Asians that immigrated here were often the richest and most educated.
Still, the Black situation and the connection between slavery and the current situation is far from clear or linear. For example, crime used to be less of a problem among Blacks. Or there is the interesting question of whether the Great Society and its legacy have helped or hurt the Black community.
Additionally, other minority groups have claimed that Blacks have never done what they did to succeed: create strong communities that support community businesses. Jews and Asians, for example, have talked about how money was supposed to recycle within their own community a certain amount of times before it ever leaves the community.
I really have no idea how America can best move forward to deal with the problems facing Black Americans.

[AP]

No wonder Jelly hates you most of all.

[Mightily Oats]

First of all, Native American reservations tend to be in even worse shape than black neighborhoods.  They just don't get the coverage.

Complete opposite in Canada

Here they get all the money in the universe to make reserves good places to live, and on top of that anything bought in a reserve has no taxes applied to it

And yes that inckudes dealerships selling vehicles that would then be shipped to a reserve and have no taxes

Free sducation across all levels

And still 99% squander it

Secondly, most blacks were brought over as slaves whereas most Asians, Hispanics, etc. came over as cheap labor.  They were still oppressed and everything, but at least they were able to make a living and save up for their families.  It's hard to save up if the first few generations of your family were slaves.

slavery was abolished a long time ago

In the US, blacks still have the highest statistical numbers or criminals

[LiquidSailor]

As for other groups, there was a different kind of selection process in terms of who got here, for sure. And many Black groups will remind us that over the years, the Asians that immigrated here were often the richest and most educated.

And those blacks are idiots, because many asians and others came over with little or nothing, and succeeded with a superior work ethic and the will to do so.  They aren't coming here rich.

[NeoGreenLantern]

First of all, Native American reservations tend to be in even worse shape than black neighborhoods.  They just don't get the coverage.

Secondly, most blacks were brought over as slaves whereas most Asians, Hispanics, etc. came over as cheap labor.  They were still oppressed and everything, but at least they were able to make a living and save up for their families.  It's hard to save up if the first few generations of your family were slaves.

To add onto that there was instances where the government actively held back black people. Voters rights, segregation, the connection between the CIA and rise of crack in African American communities, Tuskegee, Cancer irradiation experiments, etc, etc, etc. You really don't see this kind of stuff with other races except, like you said, Natives Americans.

[80sBaby]

First of all, Native American reservations tend to be in even worse shape than black neighborhoods.  They just don't get the coverage.

Secondly, most blacks were brought over as slaves whereas most Asians, Hispanics, etc. came over as cheap labor.  They were still oppressed and everything, but at least they were able to make a living and save up for their families.  It's hard to save up if the first few generations of your family were slaves.

To add onto that there was instances where the government actively held back black people. Voters rights, segregation, the connection between the CIA and rise of crack in African American communities, Tuskegee, Cancer irradiation experiments, etc, etc, etc. You really don't see this kind of stuff with other races except, like you said, Natives Americans.

None of that matters Neo. Apparently, Black people in this country just didn't work hard enough. Period.

[NeoGreenLantern]

Yeah I know. People like to boil it down like that to make it easier to process.

People have a hard time seeing things from outside of their own box. Are all black people victims of society? No of course not. Some don't have issues at all. Some are survivors of their own environment. Some have issue more from their own community than from others. And yes some are just lazy. You can literally say that about every race. Its just different degrees.

Historically though Black people as a whole have had it the worst in the US besides Natives. Donald Glover does a great critique of the Black community both in how they are treated by society and how members within the community treat it other in the song "Hold You Down"

[g-train]

First of all, Native American reservations tend to be in even worse shape than black neighborhoods.  They just don't get the coverage.

Secondly, most blacks were brought over as slaves whereas most Asians, Hispanics, etc. came over as cheap labor.  They were still oppressed and everything, but at least they were able to make a living and save up for their families.  It's hard to save up if the first few generations of your family were slaves.

To add onto that there was instances where the government actively held back black people. Voters rights, segregation, the connection between the CIA and rise of crack in African American communities, Tuskegee, Cancer irradiation experiments, etc, etc, etc. You really don't see this kind of stuff with other races except, like you said, Natives Americans.

None of that matters Neo. Apparently, Black people in this country just didn't work hard enough. Period.

80% of black people in the US are middle class and up.

To think of Black People as "needing saving" is kind of the bizarro-verse liberal version of conservatives who think Black People are all "Ghetto-Thugs".

Majority of black people got their shit together and live normal lives.

Sure some problems with crime but could probably break it down to a few specific cities, chicago, atlanta, new york and whatever.

If you can narrow the crime focus to just 4 cities, starts to look like....."why does the specific cultures of black people in those specific cities be so crime prone?" versus black people as a whole.

[NeoGreenLantern]

Every social problem can pretty much be boiled down to one simple concept though, lack of empathy. A combination of historical ignorance and people underplaying social problems they don't deal with day to day creates this emotional wall most people aren't willing to climb up over.

Its not just limited to white people either. I've seen instances where blacks have come down on the Irish when historically they have a lot in common including Irish being put into indentured servitude which is just slavery with extra steps. Yes they where able to recovery socially but their roots in the US still started off as being second class citizens.

[g-train]

Native Americans are a complex case. I'm no expert, but by and large, they seem to have bred into the populace. It's pretty hard to find anyone with close to pure native blood.
As for other groups, there was a different kind of selection process in terms of who got here, for sure. And many Black groups will remind us that over the years, the Asians that immigrated here were often the richest and most educated.
Still, the Black situation and the connection between slavery and the current situation is far from clear or linear. For example, crime used to be less of a problem among Blacks. Or there is the interesting question of whether the Great Society and its legacy have helped or hurt the Black community.
Additionally, other minority groups have claimed that Blacks have never done what they did to succeed: create strong communities that support community businesses. Jews and Asians, for example, have talked about how money was supposed to recycle within their own community a certain amount of times before it ever leaves the community.
I really have no idea how America can best move forward to deal with the problems facing Black Americans.

Yeah out of the 198 million or so people in the US with native DNA only "maybe, maybe" 800,000 of them have anything even around 70% DNA.

But there are still a couple reservations with honest to goodness "Ingines" if you are still so inclined to find them.

Though it does make a good point; on the reservations or villages/whatever where the NA's have bred so much with others as to be indistinguishable; kind of hard to claim it's "racism against Natives" holding them down when they are still having the same problems when they are now essentially all "Johnny Depp".

Though you could make the same argument for black people in the US to some extent, average black person here has 20-30% white DNA.

1/10 has 50%.

Both blacks and NA's have bred out/in a lot over the years.

There's also the fact we've had a few depressions, civil wars etc....most wealth in the US actually comes from the last 40 years so slavery and even most of the oppression they've faced over the years has less affect than you think.

Some instances where students do really well they try to replicate it elsewhere and it fails.

One of the consistencies is that the black students who tend to succeed a lot are of Caribbean, Nigerian Ibo/Tutsi kind of heritages.

Maybe the rare black person who doesn't do well in life really just isn't trying that hard.

Hell; maybe it just comes down to women; most black guys still get laid.....why would they want to change that to a system where in order to get the same women they are already getting they have to work 90 hours a week, get four years of college minimum, go on a diet and get an 8-pack going on.

It honestly just wouldn't make sense accept to make things harder for yourself.

[g-train]

Every social problem can pretty much be boiled down to one simple concept though, lack of empathy. A combination of historical ignorance and people underplaying social problems they don't deal with day to day creates this emotional wall most people aren't willing to climb up over.

Its not just limited to white people either. I've seen instances where blacks have come down on the Irish when historically they have a lot in common including Irish being put into indentured servitude which is just slavery with extra steps. Yes they where able to recovery socially but their roots in the US still started off as being second class citizens.

Well you know oppression Olympics.