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Re: how important is nato
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2017, 06:57:57 PM »
Really? What nuclear countries are having mini-wars that they didn't start?

I said without nato we would

not with it

So you think countries would mess with nuclear powers? Like, attack the mainland? How would that be a mini-war?

Yes because the debt that comes with being a "superpower" is worth it... Having 'strategic' locations around the world is great when you want to be the policemen of the world. But guess what? It hasn't worked. To say it's "naive" to be against an interventionist policy that we literally cannot afford is the definition of short-sighted.

America is safe. No one is going to attack the mainland, you literally have to belong to a rogue group or act solo because no nation (except MAYBE North Korea) would put themselves on a suicide path like that. We have one of the best geographical locations in the world. Two oceans and only bordering two countries, both of which are allies. On top of that, we have the most advanced technology in the world and most importantly enough nukes to destroy the entire planet. There's a reason why the Soviet Union, who was inferior to us in essentially every single way, was considered an existential threat. Once you have nukes you're basically good. Combine that with a good economy, a good military, and the geographic situation we have and we have nothing to worry about.

NATO is dangerous. What caused World War I, the war that started all modern wars? Drawing of alliances and stupid treaties that said "if anyone attacks you we attack them."

So fuck Hawaii, Alaska, and our and 5 inhabited territories?

What does that have to do with NATO?

Being part of NATO gives us a strategic advantage to protect our territories.

First off, don't lump Hawaii and Alaska in the same group as our territories. IMO the territories should be able to secede if they want to. Second, who is going to want to go to war with the United States over somewhere like Puerto Rico? Ain't happening NATO or no NATO.

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Re: how important is nato
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2017, 07:14:11 PM »
Because it would give a strategic advantage much like the Russians had in Cuba.

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Re: how important is nato
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2017, 07:20:58 PM »
What strategic advantage do you get by declaring war against the United States?

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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2017, 07:28:12 PM »
You act like no one has ever gone to war the US before.

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Re: how important is nato
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2017, 07:33:25 PM »
Not a nuclear armed US.

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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2017, 07:36:20 PM »
At this point though we aren't the only ones that have them and don't have the itchiest finger of the ones that do.

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Re: how important is nato
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2017, 07:46:28 PM »
I want to leave NATO but not for the same reaosns as Trump.

where do you differ

I'm anti-war, so as a matter of general principle, I don't like NATO.

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Re: how important is nato
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2017, 07:51:09 PM »
At this point though we aren't the only ones that have them and don't have the itchiest finger of the ones that do.

We would if we were directly attacked. You don't think nukes would be on the table if Hawaii was attacked? We wouldn't stop until that was settled.

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Re: how important is nato
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2017, 07:57:33 PM »
Of course we wouldn't. Not initially and especially not without NATO backing the decision. We didn't nuke anyone when NYC was attacked.

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Re: how important is nato
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2017, 08:38:36 PM »
We didn't need to...it wasn't a country that attacked us it was a terrorist group. No country would invade the United States and we don't need NATO to prevent that. It's a waste of money, resources and makes the world a more dangerous place.

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Re: how important is nato
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2017, 08:45:12 PM »
So nukes are a deterrent for war but NATO is dangerous.

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Re: how important is nato
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2017, 08:50:47 PM »
Nukes are a deterrent, NATO has way too many players. One bullet could literally start world war 3.

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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2017, 08:56:00 PM »
And yet both existed for basically the same amount of time.

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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2017, 09:02:38 PM »
And one has costed us billions and one we could have stopped manufacturing years ago and have been fine.

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Re: how important is nato
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2017, 09:09:18 PM »
Well I'm 100% for cutting back on our funding for NATO. But leaving all together seems shortsighted.