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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2017, 10:35:58 AM »

You need to put some linebreaks in there.
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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2017, 05:26:42 PM »

They will have programmed motivations to various stimuli. And if you make the AI advanced enough to self-correct, learn, etc, it could build upon its existing index of motivations/reactions to react in ways it deems fit within its programming. 

Something akin to free will... or at least the ability to push the boundaries.

Yeah that's the problem really; in order to really do things they'll have to be capable of learning, adapting and developing skills and abilities that they might not have at that time.

Which means it might be real easy to make slip up's or leave aspects of their programming to "interpretation".

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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2017, 05:27:18 PM »

Leaving aside the dangers of extreme levels of AI for the moment, the problem posed by the upcoming automation revolution is a bit more complex than most describe it.
In theory, it's an economic bonanza: much less human effort will be needed to supply essential (and many non-essential) human, material wants. The problem is what it does to our system of distributing the nation's wealth among its citizens: the job system. In the past, technological revolutions destroyed many jobs, but replaced them with new jobs. However, the new jobs tended to be in industries and fields that were just as necessary as the those the old jobs had been in. The horse groomer and buggy driver became the car driver.
But in the coming tech revolution, many, many jobs may be destroyed, far down the chain of human needs. That means that the jobs and work product that remain might in fields like caring for the elderly, baby sitting, childcare, and other such things. People will have time on their hands, so we could find them productive work to do. But that kind of work, while valuable, won't necessarily be seen as something that people truly need. Thus, there would be a temptation to simply hoard the savings that will result from an automation-induced drop in the costs of most material items and the kinds of services that can be automated with AI. These savings would, in theory, make all of us much richer. And then we could all have much nicer, human-oriented jobs with reduced hours. But if people don't feel inclined to pay for the products of such work--if people decide they'd rather look after their own kids more, skip massages, and avoid classes at the community center and just pocket the cash, or buy even more cheap material goods--then we have a Keynesian aggregate demand problem. We just won't be able to make the money flow the way it needs to.
If that turns out to be the case, then we may need to either modify the classic employment system or introduce something like a guaranteed minimum income to properly distribute the nation's bounty among all its citizens. You really don't want just a small group of 21st Century robber barons who own all the robots and AI programs--all the real capital--and have trillions of dollars, while the rest suffer.

Maybe get NASA going again and get some colonies going on the mars and space?
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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2017, 04:15:49 PM »

Governments may just make it illegal for robots to take certain jobs at first.
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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2017, 10:15:46 PM »

Governments may just make it illegal for robots to take certain jobs at first.

Can't wait for the first robot to get elected to office.

Damn tin-pot's, all of them smell like oil if you ask me.

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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2017, 03:44:16 PM »

But advanced sentient AI aside, simple AI robots/kiosks/vehicles will be unpopular when the jobs start disappearing. A good knee jerk reaction would be to outlaw robots from doing certain jobs.

No robots barbers, dentists, nurses, lawyers, etc.
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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2017, 07:10:24 PM »

But advanced sentient AI aside, simple AI robots/kiosks/vehicles will be unpopular when the jobs start disappearing. A good knee jerk reaction would be to outlaw robots from doing certain jobs.

No robots barbers, dentists, nurses, lawyers, etc.

Well; Nurses will probably be glad to have robots helping them lift and move their clients if they are caregivers.

Got a relative with one of those jobs, hurt her back like three times having to carry her client whose close to a couple hundred pounds.

Suspect robo-vehicles will continue to be popular at least among older people who will have to depend on them and various other handicapped types.

If the AI kiosks are around before jobs disappear, people might not even think about it much when they do just so used to them.

I'm surprised there isn't already some kind of "computo-lawyer" that can bring up any specific kind of laws related to the situation they have.

Save them butt loads of time doing research that's for sure.

As for politicians, have you seen our politicians lately?  I'm not sure how "advanced" the AI will have to be to start doing a better job.
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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2017, 07:10:29 AM »

But advanced sentient AI aside, simple AI robots/kiosks/vehicles will be unpopular when the jobs start disappearing.

Japan has a high unemployment rate but they seem to enjoy the advancement of AI services in their social/daily lives.
There's a certain entertainment factor that keeps the novelty strong & distracts the people that actual manual jobs are disappearing.
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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2017, 03:28:26 PM »

But advanced sentient AI aside, simple AI robots/kiosks/vehicles will be unpopular when the jobs start disappearing.

Japan has a high unemployment rate but they seem to enjoy the advancement of AI services in their social/daily lives.
There's a certain entertainment factor that keeps the novelty strong & distracts the people that actual manual jobs are disappearing.

Honestly; universal income will probably have to be "just" high enough to let them survive and buy the odd toy here and there with socialized medicare going on.

Which will probably suck for those without money but I guess it's better than nothing, hopefully.

But back to the money, having just enough to survive, have clothes and get the odd toy here and there is honestly going to be pretty close to what the majority of jobs would have paid anyways without the degradation of actually having to work or live on someone else's schedule.

I could see why they might not care if jobs disappear or not.
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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2017, 05:08:27 PM »

But advanced sentient AI aside, simple AI robots/kiosks/vehicles will be unpopular when the jobs start disappearing.

Japan has a high unemployment rate but they seem to enjoy the advancement of AI services in their social/daily lives.
There's a certain entertainment factor that keeps the novelty strong & distracts the people that actual manual jobs are disappearing.
They are also dying out with a purpose less generation of willing neuters. The West really raped them via social engineering. And they were the test subjects for what will happen here.
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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2017, 10:49:20 PM »

But advanced sentient AI aside, simple AI robots/kiosks/vehicles will be unpopular when the jobs start disappearing.

Japan has a high unemployment rate but they seem to enjoy the advancement of AI services in their social/daily lives.
There's a certain entertainment factor that keeps the novelty strong & distracts the people that actual manual jobs are disappearing.
They are also dying out with a purpose less generation of willing neuters. The West really raped them via social engineering. And they were the test subjects for what will happen here.

That's feminism for you.

But populations do that, grow, regress and grow again.

Automation can handle the time between and even without it, society continues on.
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