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Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs

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Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« on: March 30, 2017, 02:31:31 PM »
http://fox59.com/2017/03/24/treasury-secretary-not-worried-at-all-about-robots-eliminating-american-jobs-twmsp

Think this true, if so what should we do about? Will Just go

heard this on secular talk. And they mention stephen hawking brought up the idea in the future everyone will get a robot that earns for them. Basicly Wall-E.

either that it going to be basicly hunger games

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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2017, 03:40:18 PM »
Eventually robots will reach a point where everyone can relax and have our robot slaves do everything for us. At that point the world will have to move towards something like socialism, because capitalism will be absurd. The world will become pretty close to paradise as a result. We'll all be essentially old timey plantation slave-owners, except we won't be evil because our slaves will be soulless.

However, there will be an incredibly ugly and dangerous mid-point, where robots are powerful enough to replace a huge number of jobs, but not quite so good that the world will adopt a sort of effortless socialism by default. Corporations are going to become insanely powerful at that mid-point, since they will be able to completely ignore unions.

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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2017, 03:46:08 PM »
yea people forget even in utopia stories like star trek..there some nasty stuff that happens before the golden age.

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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2017, 06:11:27 PM »
Even when robots replace two out of every five positions, neocons will still be singing the same old song. "Give corporations and ceo's more tax cuts and that will create more and better JOBZ!"   

And people like this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E48QqcTOXeY  (I mean fuck, "We lost the war but..." It was a century and a half ago, you dimwits.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Ydoh_5EjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK4mw5ehJks

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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2017, 07:36:47 PM »
Eventually robots will reach a point where everyone can relax and have our robot slaves do everything for us. At that point the world will have to move towards something like socialism, because capitalism will be absurd. The world will become pretty close to paradise as a result. We'll all be essentially old timey plantation slave-owners, except we won't be evil because our slaves will be soulless.

However, there will be an incredibly ugly and dangerous mid-point, where robots are powerful enough to replace a huge number of jobs, but not quite so good that the world will adopt a sort of effortless socialism by default. Corporations are going to become insanely powerful at that mid-point, since they will be able to completely ignore unions.

Sounds about right.

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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2017, 09:04:50 PM »
Been some level of talks about a Universal Income since the age of Nixon.

Probably going to happen sometime in the next couple decades I imagine or a job-creator comes out of nowhere and revolutionizes our economy.


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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2017, 09:27:15 PM »
yea may take a while but that the way to go.

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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2017, 12:27:38 PM »
This is amazing news, I will explain my reasoning when I'm at a computer

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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2017, 03:43:12 PM »
This is amazing news, I will explain my reasoning when I'm at a computer

This is one of those things where I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not.

But I just bothered to actually click the link; 2030's I mean.....damn.

I mean were basically 13 years away from straight out losing a solid forty percent of all jobs, that's crazy.

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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2017, 06:41:25 PM »
Many of the jobs that exist in today's market are tasks for computers that haven't been invented yet. A lot of companies are constrained due to human labor, human errors, and human limitations. Once you replace a lot of these operation type jobs, companies will be able to grow much faster (more production for less costs). From there, it will be up to people to decide the direction of the company and how to continue expanding so they don't end up stagnant. Jobs will be eliminated but many more jobs will come to fruition, many of these jobs will require critical thinking, adaptability, design, and pure intelligence.

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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2017, 12:32:53 PM »
Yeah, we actually have no idea if the jobs potentially taken by robots will be replaced by anything ... Much less by jobs that can be performed by the millions (or billions) of average people  whose labor would be displaced.

There's no law of nature preventing us from ending up in a world economy with 100 trillionaires and 50% unemployment.

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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2017, 02:20:14 PM »
Yeah, we actually have no idea if the jobs potentially taken by robots will be replaced by anything ... Much less by jobs that can be performed by the millions (or billions) of average people  whose labor would be displaced.

There's no law of nature preventing us from ending up in a world economy with 100 trillionaires and 50% unemployment.

? We have decades upon decades of technology growing at an exponential rate. This isn't a new phenomenon, it's just that the rate of growth is growing so we will see change happen at a faster rate.

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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2017, 07:18:05 PM »
Yeah, we actually have no idea if the jobs potentially taken by robots will be replaced by anything ... Much less by jobs that can be performed by the millions (or billions) of average people  whose labor would be displaced.

There's no law of nature preventing us from ending up in a world economy with 100 trillionaires and 50% unemployment.

Isn't something like 80% of the US's wealth owned straight up by just 350 people or so?

I remember seeing that "somewhere".

And considering how much wealth Gates, Zuckerberg and even Oprah got I could see that building up pretty quick.


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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2017, 10:39:46 PM »
G-Train, I think that's an exaggerated stat. In the US, the top "1%" own 38% of the wealth. That's a lot more unequal than other rich countries (or the US from the 40s-70s), but it's not even in the same ballpark as the nightmare scenario I described.

Yeah, we actually have no idea if the jobs potentially taken by robots will be replaced by anything ... Much less by jobs that can be performed by the millions (or billions) of average people  whose labor would be displaced.

There's no law of nature preventing us from ending up in a world economy with 100 trillionaires and 50% unemployment.

? We have decades upon decades of technology growing at an exponential rate. This isn't a new phenomenon, it's just that the rate of growth is growing so we will see change happen at a faster rate.

What do you mean by "technology growing at an exponential rate?" We certainly don't have any history that remotely resembles robots taking high skilled intellectual labor en masse.

The point is, if robots obtain general intelligence and can be mass produced, there goes your white collar service jobs. It's difficult to see how you would need an army of white collar professionals to guide the robot, in the same way that we currently need an army of people to handle technologies.

That scenario is nothing like a horse-whip company going out of business because it's replaced by a company that manufactures car parts.

 Also, if self-driving cars replace human drivers, that alone eliminates a giant swath of low skilled jobs. I haven't heard any viable plan to replace those jobs if they are eliminated.

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Re: Robots expected to take 38% of our Jobs
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2017, 03:50:44 PM »
On the whole it might actually help world stability.

Don't we have some kind of "iffy" deals with various foreign nations business wise that either give us a pretty decent sum of their money or essentially cripple them economically like Puerto Rico or something?

Once we get to the point of independence from them, less of a need to keep them down.