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Re: Logan aka Jesus christ, everyone gets stabbed in the face
« Reply #75 on: March 09, 2017, 08:01:59 AM »
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Re: Logan aka Jesus christ, everyone gets stabbed in the face
« Reply #76 on: March 13, 2017, 11:33:50 AM »
Saw this last week and have to say i came away disappointed given all the hype.

Good
- The first half mostly. Had some great set pieces
- The Las Vegas Professor X brainwave scene was very cool as was the first fight against the mercenary/whatever guys
- Generally not afraid to go to some pretty dark places

Bad
- After Professor X dies the movie really dropped off for me
- Felt they played a bit fast and loose with Logan's healing. In the first scene he is not that far off regular Wolverine (rather take a bullet than have his car get shot) and in the end (before the serum) hes practically a normal guy after getting fucked up by X-24
- Never really felt much of a connection between Logan and his daughter
- The funeral speech was pretty cringeworthy

Basically i felt like they had a great story in their somewhere but they kind of missed the mark - a few great dialogue scenes or whatever really could have made the difference. Instead it kind of coasted by on the fact that Logan was old and he was gonna die and everything had gone too shit and people dropped f-bombs all the time. I know Jackman talked about Unforgiven and wanting to make a story about the price of being a killer but i don't think they really did much with that in the end while at the same time they squandered a lot of potential from the more upfront themes of mortality etc.

I dont think anyone else would agree but i actually liked The Wolverine a fair bit better - i think if a writer like McQuarrie had taken a pass at this it could have been really great.

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Re: Logan aka Jesus christ, everyone gets stabbed in the face
« Reply #77 on: March 14, 2017, 10:11:03 AM »
Basically i felt like they had a great story in their somewhere but they kind of missed the mark.

Yeah, I agree. This was the best X-Men movie in years, even though it wasn't really an X-Men movie.

Firstly, why in these movies set dystopian future is "escaping across the border" always seen as a brilliant plan? In a truly dystopian future, Canada and Mexico are going to be as shitty and corrupt as the USA, if not moreso. Do the mutants think it's going to be nothing but poutine and smoked meat as soon as they get into Canada?

Jackman and Stewart were great in their roles, and in their scenes together. They had a fantastic father-son vibe going, and while it was painful to see them in their final days, there were certainly some dark comedic elements, like Logan checking that Xavier took his pills, and Xavier sticking his tongue out like a kid. Our parents become our children, and they did a great job of showing that. It was touching.

Speaking of dark comedy,Stephen Merchant as Caliban was inspiring. I really liked his character, and I would have preferred to see him more, to the point that I would have rather the road trip be about Logan, Xavier and Caliban instead of Laura.

Laura... and the rest of the kids... I just didn't care about them. Maybe they made her too feral. She might have worked better if she had more innocence to protect, that way it would have seemed awful to see her resort to violence. Laura would have also worked better as a boy, and as a son for Logan, to serve as a counterbalance for the father-son relationship between Xavier and Logan.

The rest of the kids seemed little more than a plot device. They were a weak point in the movie and a distraction, and I think they could have been skipped altogether.

Bad guys? Pierce was OK. Better than OK, but not really great. The mad scientist, Dr. Rice, was as generic as they come, and it might have been better to combine his character with Pierce's. It might have also been better if they gave him some moral standing, to give the movie some shades of grey.

The fight scenes were brutal. Really, really brutal. X-24 was beaten a too easily. If "Logan" wasn't an action movie, I'd say it would have been appropriate, but Logan is an action movie.


TL;DR: Great performances by the adults, kids were annoying, story was ok, still a good movie because of the leads.


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Re: Logan aka Jesus christ, everyone gets stabbed in the face
« Reply #78 on: March 14, 2017, 10:58:31 AM »
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Re: Logan aka Jesus christ, everyone gets stabbed in the face
« Reply #79 on: March 14, 2017, 11:37:20 AM »
I didn't see Logan as having a dystopian future. Maybe on there way there but the world is closer to our than Hunger Games.

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Re: Logan aka Jesus christ, everyone gets stabbed in the face
« Reply #80 on: March 14, 2017, 11:53:25 AM »
I didn't see Logan as having a dystopian future. Maybe on there way there but the world is closer to our than Hunger Games.

Mildly dystopian, where life is a bit cheaper, where hired mercenaries have in some ways replaced the police. Things like that.


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Re: Logan aka Jesus christ, everyone gets stabbed in the face
« Reply #81 on: March 14, 2017, 11:58:16 AM »
Even there isn't thing saying its a "true dystopia" like the Hunger Games nor do I think they were going for that so I don't see anything wrong with the run for the border plot line.

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Re: Logan aka Jesus christ, everyone gets stabbed in the face
« Reply #82 on: March 17, 2017, 02:59:41 AM »
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Re: Logan aka Jesus christ, everyone gets stabbed in the face
« Reply #83 on: March 19, 2017, 05:50:39 PM »
Great flick

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Re: Logan aka Jesus christ, everyone gets stabbed in the face
« Reply #84 on: March 19, 2017, 11:54:16 PM »
I loved this movie so goddamned much
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Re: Logan aka Jesus christ, everyone gets stabbed in the face
« Reply #85 on: March 20, 2017, 03:12:15 AM »
It was real fucking good

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Re: Logan aka Jesus christ, everyone gets stabbed in the face
« Reply #86 on: March 20, 2017, 07:15:04 AM »
I loved this movie so goddamned much
It was real fucking good

I'm going to cry

Re: Logan aka Jesus christ, everyone gets stabbed in the face
« Reply #87 on: March 22, 2017, 06:15:18 AM »
It's very interesting to see the dichotomy between non-comic, serious movie reviewers that have no loyalty or allegiance to the source material singing praises yet hardcore nerds saying meh.
This sort of thing doesn't surprise me at all, honestly. Different groups will have different markers as far as what they would like to see. For an extreme and gay example, I remember a friend of mine explaining to a couple of others that the Chinese food westerners often know and love "isn't really Chinese food" and why would I argue with her...when she's from China and grew up with the real thing. She oughtta know.

So yeah, I don't get surprised when fans of the original something or other scoff at the nu version of whatever that thing may be. I don't find it surprising and I also don't see it as a negative or really understand why people get upset about it (not saying that you did) and even whine about the supposed whining. *shrug*

I actually liked the movie. I think some of you (can't remember who) had said even before this movie was announced that Wolverine needed an R rating and you guys were absolutely right. I had to explain this to a non-comic-fan friend by reminding him of the times animated Wolverine popped his claws...only to kick or tackle someone.

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Re: Logan aka Jesus christ, everyone gets stabbed in the face
« Reply #88 on: March 23, 2017, 07:54:50 PM »
Saw it again.

Such a freakin' good movie.

Great acting by the whole cast. Just enough action scenes.

Can't complain

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