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Has comics gone to far?

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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2017, 01:06:17 PM »
Well his first fight will probably the people who created him.

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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2017, 01:24:52 PM »
Well his first fight will probably the people who created him.

Wouldn't that just be a squash though? I mean why create this 'monster' unless it was to accomplish something you couldn't already achieve?

I thought it was Hydra that were creating this as their 'trump card' (no pun intended) for when the heroes 'push back'.

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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2017, 05:55:09 PM »
Not so much the claws as the adamantium that's going to be the problem. I don't really see Hulk actively slicing and dicing. I think he'd still punch the shit out of things with the added effect that claws just happen to bring. Now he has an adamantium skeleton though.

That's an issue for sure. Probably makes him the overall top tier physical character in comics.

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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2017, 07:06:18 PM »


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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2017, 07:13:37 PM »
Not so much the claws as the adamantium that's going to be the problem. I don't really see Hulk actively slicing and dicing. I think he'd still punch the shit out of things with the added effect that claws just happen to bring. Now he has an adamantium skeleton though.

That's an issue for sure. Probably makes him the overall top tier physical character in comics.

I'd argue his bones weren't far off being as tough as Adamantium anyway.

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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2017, 09:51:24 PM »
Not so much the claws as the adamantium that's going to be the problem. I don't really see Hulk actively slicing and dicing. I think he'd still punch the shit out of things with the added effect that claws just happen to bring. Now he has an adamantium skeleton though.

That's an issue for sure. Probably makes him the overall top tier physical character in comics.

I'd argue his bones weren't far off being as tough as Adamantium anyway.

Anyone else care to weigh in on whether or not  adamantium and the Hulk's skeleton are relatively equal in durability? That seems absurd but I wouldn't know enough to be sure.
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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2017, 02:45:16 AM »
He's right. Hulk's skin has been shown as comparable to adamatium before so it stands to reason, his bones likely would be too.

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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2017, 11:58:19 AM »
I'd argue his bones weren't far off being as tough as Adamantium anyway.

Anyone else care to weigh in on whether or not  adamantium and the Hulk's skeleton are relatively equal in durability? That seems absurd but I wouldn't know enough to be sure.

Assuming the 'strength' of his bones increases along with the rest of him I'd estimate:

Hulk's Bones < WWHulk's Bones < War Hulk's Bones = Adamantium < Worldbreaker Hulk's Bones

Its speculative, but I think it fits what we have generally seen.

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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2017, 02:40:39 PM »
I would say no. Because hulk's (and rulk) arms and necks have been broken and snapped in the past

They retconned saying wolverines claws did cut hulk but hulks healing factor quickly healed the wounds

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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2017, 11:38:58 AM »
I wonder if he will be called Hulk Logan and have the battle cry "Hulk slash!"?

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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2017, 12:41:55 PM »
I would say no. Because hulk's (and rulk) arms and necks have been broken and snapped in the past

They retconned saying wolverines claws did cut hulk but hulks healing factor quickly healed the wounds

Just because Hulk's bones have been snapped doesn't mean they couldn't be as tough as Adamantium, although:

1. (IMO) I think only someone with the strength of War Hulk or above would have bones that tough, not regular Hulk or even WWHulk but their bones would be almost as tough.
2. Adamantium (and tougher substances like Vibranium or the Asgardian Destroyer) have been damaged in the past.
3. Hulk already ripped Wolverine in half didn't he? (Presumably a What If or Alt-Reality).

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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2017, 12:43:28 PM »
I wonder if he will be called Hulk Logan and have the battle cry "Hulk slash!"?

You nailed it.

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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2017, 01:25:29 PM »
I would say no. Because hulk's (and rulk) arms and necks have been broken and snapped in the past

They retconned saying wolverines claws did cut hulk but hulks healing factor quickly healed the wounds

Just because Hulk's bones have been snapped doesn't mean they couldn't be as tough as Adamantium, although:

1. (IMO) I think only someone with the strength of War Hulk or above would have bones that tough, not regular Hulk or even WWHulk but their bones would be almost as tough.
2. Adamantium (and tougher substances like Vibranium or the Asgardian Destroyer) have been damaged in the past.
3. Hulk already ripped Wolverine in half didn't he? (Presumably a What If or Alt-Reality).

Primary Adamantium cannot be broken in the same manner

Most Adamantium that has been damaged is secondary Adamantium which isn't as strong

Hulk ripped ultimate wolverine in half. So did ultimate colossus. Ultimate universe Adamantium doesn't have anywhere near the level of feats 616 does and regarded to not be as strong. Some think he merely ripped the joints and not the actual metal as how else could wolverine put himself back together?
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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2017, 12:33:04 PM »
Didn't Wolverine along with Thor, Spider-Man etc....all get hulked out for a storyline?


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Re: Has comics gone to far?
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2017, 01:13:19 PM »
Primary Adamantium cannot be broken in the same manner.

I don't buy that 'indestructible' tag one bit. Anything can be broken, its just a matter of going high enough up the food chain.

The Destroyer and Cap's Shield are tougher than Adamantium (IMO) and those have been damaged.

If Adamantium was 'all that' then EVERY single advanced civilization would be using it for EVERYTHING. But apparently every advanced civilization in Marvel uses inferior metallurgy including the Celestials.

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Most Adamantium that has been damaged is secondary Adamantium which isn't as strong

I have my own opinions on Adamantium and its Secondary 'cousin'.

I agree with the Busiek explanation that if something only has one 'schtick' (ie. Adamantium - it can't be damaged) then that should be respected. I'm not saying Adamantium should be easily destroyed, but its nonsense that its infinitely better than advanced alien metals.

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Hulk ripped ultimate wolverine in half. So did ultimate colossus. Ultimate universe Adamantium doesn't have anywhere near the level of feats 616 does and regarded to not be as strong. Some think he merely ripped the joints and not the actual metal as how else could wolverine put himself back together.

Simply more evidence Wolverine needs to die in my opinion.