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whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?

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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2017, 09:15:10 PM »
Does ANYONE genunely believe this will be permament?

Of course not.


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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2017, 11:56:16 PM »
SPOILERS:


































According to https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/03/26/marvelssecretempireaxisallies/















"it is revealed that Captain America, Steve Rogers, was always Hydra…because originally Hydra (and thus, the Nazis) won World War II. The Allies, in a last ditch attempt, use a Cosmic Cube to alter reality so that Hydra and the Nazis lose, and that is the Marvel Universe we know. A world that was artificially fabricated by the Allies, including a truly Allies-loyal Cap (possibly because the Allies never learned of his deception?). And thus, when Kobik turned Cap to Hydra, she was actually awakening his true self from the original timeline before the Allies changed everything, and thus allowing Rogers to restore Hydra to its ‘rightful’ position."

So I'm confused. This page implies he wasn't always Hydra. Red Skull created the life of Hydra Cap.

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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2017, 01:16:07 AM »
So...did Red Skull somehow lose having Xavier's brain?

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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2017, 08:35:37 AM »

So I'm confused. This page implies he wasn't always Hydra. Red Skull created the life of Hydra Cap.


From that same issue:



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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2017, 09:04:36 AM »
That's Cap talking right? I get he believes he was always Hydra but has it been actually confirmed he was? Outside of the untrustworthy narrator trope?

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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2017, 09:23:11 AM »
That is Cap yes. While it hasn't been totally confirmed, a lot of the pieces falling around it seem to make the rumors true. The issue also ends with Elisa warning Steve about the new "super weapon" that the allies are working on to end the war. Then the last page shows scientists working on a cosmic cube instead of a nuclear bomb.

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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2017, 03:40:14 PM »
Is it true that Magneto's running Hydra, as well?  Seems really dumb to have a Holocaust survivor leading a Nazi organization.
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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2017, 03:51:32 PM »
Is it true that Magneto's running Hydra, as well?  Seems really dumb to have a Holocaust survivor leading a Nazi organization.

I think he's going to be shown working with them once Secret Empire gets underway. How this comes about is anyone's guess, though.

Also, I think Hydra has been retconned into NOT being Nazi's now.

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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2017, 10:44:51 PM »
Is it true that Magneto's running Hydra, as well?  Seems really dumb to have a Holocaust survivor leading a Nazi organization.

I think he's going to be shown working with them once Secret Empire gets underway. How this comes about is anyone's guess, though.

Also, I think Hydra has been retconned into NOT being Nazi's now.

Yeah I think nowadays their more like suicide bombing Muslim's than Nazi's.

Guess the great evil has to stay current or something.

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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2017, 10:18:51 PM »
Is it really all that surprising that Cap could become a Nazi?

I mean for years his greatest foe was a clone of his that had been programmed/memory implant to believe it was the Red Skull.

So the possibility does exist that Cap could have become a Nazi.

It's still his brain.....it just had the memories of the skull.

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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2017, 10:24:35 PM »
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I don't think anyone is surprised by the idea of someone having completely different ideals if they were raised differently. Ideals are nurture not nature.

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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2017, 05:14:48 PM »
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I don't think anyone is surprised by the idea of someone having completely different ideals if they were raised differently. Ideals are nurture not nature.

Remember how much people on the internet freaked out at first?

And guys were like "They made Cap a NAzi"!!!!

That dur's offensive.

But technically they did it back in the day with his clone.

In a sense this is basically a retread of what happened there, instead of his clone being programmed he was or is.


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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2017, 10:49:22 PM »
Yeah I wouldn't say thats the same thing at all. In one your changing the actual character. The other you're making a different character.

Its the difference between finding out Mr. Rogers had a exact twin skinhead and finding out Mr. Rogers was a skinhead.

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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2017, 07:33:12 PM »
Yeah I wouldn't say thats the same thing at all. In one your changing the actual character. The other you're making a different character.

Its the difference between finding out Mr. Rogers had a exact twin skinhead and finding out Mr. Rogers was a skinhead.

Yeah but a clone's a bit more than just a "twin" for all intents and purposes it is "Captain America" just one that was programmed to think it was the Red Skull.

Basically it showed that as long as Cap "thinks" he's evil, he's as capable of the most gross and profane thing's as the worst of us, Hitler, Ghandi, Hillary Clinton you name it.


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Re: whatever happened with Captain America being a hydra agent?
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2017, 08:17:17 PM »
Not really since identical twins are basically clones of each other.