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soleran

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Re: So...health care debate getting heated
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2017, 04:55:05 PM »

He wasn't calling it Obamacare, he was referring to the bill it's related to. It's hilarious because the dominant majority of problems with the ACA were personally put the by Republicans.

What problems did the republicans put into the ACA?  I watched c-span as it was put into committee, I didn't see anything put in that republicans requested at that point.  During the mockery of a "roundtable" that Obama held that was televised they shot down every republican idea.  Unless you mean that they used an outline of an old republican idea to help form the ACA from I think it was the 90's.

I vaguely remember it used to be a lot longer and cover more but the Republicans kept complaining and wanted things to get cut when they were still in the process of hashing it out.

That could very well be true but since the democrats had both houses they didn't really care.  Watching the committees at work was like watching kids fighting in a sandbox, it was horrible on both sides.

One thing I am pretty sure about is that if the medicaid stops for the 10 million or so Americans don't expect a republican controlled house and senate for long.
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Re: So...health care debate getting heated
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2017, 06:31:25 PM »

Soleran is wrong about this.


The Democrats had less than 60 Senate votes when the ACA was passed. Gaining the suppprt of certain Republicans, like Olympia Snowe (and thus becoming filibuster-proof), required dropping the public option that Obama campaigned on.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/29/senate.public.option/

The system of private insurance + individual mandate + subsidies is a result of that compromise. This naturally meant that some support from Republicans was needed as to the size of the subsidies.

It should also be noted that Aetna lied about why it's moved out of some states' ACA marketplaces. In fact, they moved out of states where they were projected to be profitable just to be able to claim their proposed Humana merger wouldn't run afoul of antitrust laws. But the judge didn't buy it:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/24/investing/aetna-obamacare-humana-merger/
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Re: So...health care debate getting heated
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2017, 09:01:27 PM »

Soleran is wrong about this.


The Democrats had less than 60 Senate votes when the ACA was passed. Gaining the suppprt of certain Republicans, like Olympia Snowe (and thus becoming filibuster-proof), required dropping the public option that Obama campaigned on.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/29/senate.public.option/

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/111-2009/s396

No republicans voted for the bill and the TWO independants that caucused with the democrats did vote for the bill.  So while its true democrats had a filibuster proof vote it wasn't because they had the support of republicans on the senate floor. 
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Re: So...health care debate getting heated
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2017, 12:52:04 AM »

Soleran is wrong about this.


The Democrats had less than 60 Senate votes when the ACA was passed. Gaining the suppprt of certain Republicans, like Olympia Snowe (and thus becoming filibuster-proof), required dropping the public option that Obama campaigned on.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/29/senate.public.option/

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/111-2009/s396

No republicans voted for the bill and the TWO independants that caucused with the democrats did vote for the bill.  So while its true democrats had a filibuster proof vote it wasn't because they had the support of republicans on the senate floor.

Arlen Specter switched from Republican to Democrat in lending his vote. He's the type of a republican whose vote was needed.

While Olympia Snowe didn't vote for it, the changes were made to court Republicans like her (and Democrats in Republican-heavy areas who were elected at the height of anti-Bush sentiment).

The basic structure of the ACA was the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation. It was the Republican alternative to single-payer.

It was a Republican idea that they abandoned and the Democrats settled for when it wasn't politically possible to do what they wanted.
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Re: So...health care debate getting heated
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2017, 01:14:57 AM »

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/09/trump-reportedly-says-hell-blame-democrats-if-gop-health-care-plan-fails.html

oh trump

Ha, it won't matter who he blames.  Republicans will lose their congressional control in a heartbeat when they mess up their repeal and replace.
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Re: So...health care debate getting heated
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2017, 02:49:55 AM »

It is nice seeing these Repubs run like hell from these town hall meetings.  They're  getting what they deserve.  You can't deny all these people who rely on the ACA.  And not have something in place to take its place.  And even with a full time position that's giving people coverage.  That's not necessarily covering all their needs.  Factor in places that want to only give part-time jobs for whatever reasons. 

   Then again there is the irony of this is what you wanted when those who voted for this admin got what they wanted.  Now, they're realizing the consequences.

Most of the ACA users are from expanded medicaid, not from some magicaly awesome insurance offered by for profit insurance carriers.  Now you should direct your aggression twards what it is, more welfare or less.

Much of the anger rightly belongs left at the feet of modern, mostly Republican, politicians. Who advocate burning through trillions on brainless wars, corporate welfare, and waste for the military industrial complex.

But still want to play the economically thoughtful card with things that involve maintaining a first world existence, and moving a nation successfully to the next generation.
..just like the Democrats, who pretend to be against those things. But pretending makes them better.
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Re: So...health care debate getting heated
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2017, 10:28:02 PM »

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/cbo-gop-obamacare-repeal-plan-236007


Yea that sucks

remember how Trump cared about factor workers and coal. How the librals and obama didnt care. interest tidbit about what obamacare did for them
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/01/24/510668899/obamacare-repeal-threatens-a-health-benefit-popular-in-coal-country


which sucks but also makes it clear the dems suck at messaging. because I wonder why they didnt mention it. because that something they can point that they did, because remember no republicans sign on that bill
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Re: So...health care debate getting heated
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2017, 11:38:28 PM »

I'm just glad they are using this to redirect money back to the top 1%
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Re: So...health care debate getting heated
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2017, 04:17:19 AM »

I'm just glad they are using this to redirect money back to the top 1%

Maybe he can purchase something more impressive than the sheddings of the 9 tails fox as a hairpiece.

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Re: So...health care debate getting heated
« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2017, 09:48:50 PM »

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325175-deductibles-projected-to-rise-1550-under-gop-health-plan

Deductibles projected to rise $1,550 under GOP health plan

The average health insurance deductible is projected to be $1,550 higher under the GOP ObamaCare replacement plan than it is under the Affordable Care Act, according to an analysis from the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF).

One of Republicans’ main criticisms of ObamaCare has been that the deductibles are too high, and President Trump promised “much lower deductibles” in an interview with The Washington Post in January.

Yet Altman's analysis finds that “out-of-pocket costs will go up for many consumers buying their own insurance, particularly people who need more health care services.”

The average deductible is projected to rise from $2,550 under ObamaCare to $4,100 under the Republican plan.
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Re: So...health care debate getting heated
« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2017, 10:57:36 PM »

welp apparently their not enough house votes

They keep trying to change it for the far right guys, but they still argue it doesnt fuck over poor people enough

so they seem to be threaten wrath on republicans who vote no
And going to have an emergency meeting

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/house-health-care-vote/index.html

Dont know what changes they can do to get the right wing guys over. Maybe some change when you get some money off your pemiums if you bring in a scalp of a poor person. More if that person muslim.
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