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Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2017, 03:25:14 PM »
Brady has the wins, hardware and stats to back up his case.
Also has the cheating scandals, rule changes, and the defenses to back it up.  His numbers don't go up as high as Montana's do based off his consistent performance in the playoffs.  Montana is the best.  4-0.

5-2.  Brady despite setting regular season records was held to fourteen points with Moss.  Eli out clutched him in two sbowls.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2017, 03:43:03 PM »
Brady is the all- time leader in playoff wins and touchdowns.

Keep up your standard tactic of hating the best.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2017, 03:54:58 PM »
Brady is the all- time leader in playoff wins and touchdowns.

Keep up your standard tactic of hating the best.
He played in more games.  Brady choked twice against giants squads with a 10-6 record and a 9-7 record.  Eli has ownership papers on him in sbowls.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2017, 04:55:00 PM »
He still has five rings.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2017, 07:21:07 PM »
He still has five rings.
So does Charles Haley.  What's your point ? 

Joe Montana hasn't thrown one int in four sbowls.  Didn't Brady throw one in his first one ?

How he'd do against Eli Manning his Destroyer.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2017, 07:32:15 PM »
Five Rings.  Aaron Rodgers has a long way to go before he can get a seat at the table with Brady.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2017, 07:44:28 PM »
Jesus Christ, is this kid brain damaged? It's not like the only options are "ONLY titles matter" or "Titles don't matter at all". They factor in, but so do circumstances, era, other achievements, teammates, opponents, records, etc etc etc etc.

In Brady's case, they are a huge argument in his favor because he has won more than anyone in a very competitive era. But he's not the only player to win 5 Superbowls, and no one is saying Charles Haley is the GOAT.

Quan is trolling and trying to draw posters Into a dumb cyclical argument. Don't humor him.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2017, 09:41:19 PM »
Five Rings.  Aaron Rodgers has a long way to go before he can get a seat at the table with Brady.
We do not just determine the best ever solely on championships in a team sport.  Brady had one helluva defense this year and possibly the greatest coach of all time.  Rodgers is actually mobile which is relevant to his strengths unlike Brady who primarily operates out of the shotgun and is a statue.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2017, 09:42:41 PM »
Jesus Christ, is this kid brain damaged? It's not like the only options are "ONLY titles matter" or "Titles don't matter at all". They factor in, but so do circumstances, era, other achievements, teammates, opponents, records, etc etc etc etc.

In Brady's case, they are a huge argument in his favor because he has won more than anyone in a very competitive era. But he's not the only player to win 5 Superbowls, and no one is saying Charles Haley is the GOAT.

Quan is trolling and trying to draw posters Into a dumb cyclical argument. Don't humor him.
I am basing my argument off common sense, facts, strengths, weaknesses, the rules changes, etc.  just because you believ Brady is the best that doesn't make it a fact.  If you can't even entertain an argument you're a fanatic. 

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2017, 10:50:14 PM »
Five Rings.  Aaron Rodgers has a long way to go before he can get a seat at the table with Brady.
We do not just determine the best ever solely on championships in a team sport.  Brady had one helluva defense this year and possibly the greatest coach of all time.  Rodgers is actually mobile which is relevant to his strengths unlike Brady who primarily operates out of the shotgun and is a statue.
The best coach ever and one hell of an organization.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2017, 01:18:56 AM »
Brady's defense is ok. It was great in his early Superbowl wins, not as much now. Brady has very little offensive fire power yet he still wins. Montana had some of the best players ever on his side. He also only made it to 4 Superbowls meaning he failed before even getting to the big game.

Brady and Marino are the best ever.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2017, 10:49:37 PM »
Five Rings.  Aaron Rodgers has a long way to go before he can get a seat at the table with Brady.
We do not just determine the best ever solely on championships in a team sport.  Brady had one helluva defense this year and possibly the greatest coach of all time.  Rodgers is actually mobile which is relevant to his strengths unlike Brady who primarily operates out of the shotgun and is a statue.
The best coach ever and one hell of an organization.
The best coach ever takes away from his accomplishments due to bellichick a defensive genius.  They also cheated for years.   Can you say asterisk ?

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2017, 10:53:02 PM »
Brady's defense is ok. It was great in his early Superbowl wins, not as much now. Brady has very little offensive fire power yet he still wins. Montana had some of the best players ever on his side. He also only made it to 4 Superbowls meaning he failed before even getting to the big game.

Brady and Marino are the best ever.
It was the number one in points allowed this season.  In playoff games Brady's team has allowed over thirty points three times in his entire postseason career.  Aaron Rodgers defenses have done so at least twice that number in far less games. They only allowed three offensive tds from the Falcons in the sbowl. 

Brady had moss and gronkowski.  Brady also lost the year he had moss and was 18-0 in the sbowl to a 10-6 team. 

False.  Montana is the best ever.  He had legs unlike both Brady and Marino.  Should I post the postseason ratings in which Brady isn't that high all time. I am beginning to think you're quite ignorant on this matter.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2017, 11:21:45 PM »
Kurt Warner has a higher passer rating all-time in the playoffs than Montana. Is he better?

Brady is tops in every passing category but QB rating. Holds the SB record for passing yards

His team is a consistent winner and he now has five rings. 

By your logic Trent Dilfer is better than Brady because he never lost a SB

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2017, 11:29:17 PM »
Kurt Warner has a higher passer rating all-time in the playoffs than Montana. Is he better?

Brady is tops in every passing category but QB rating. Holds the SB record for passing yards

His team is a consistent winner and he now has five rings. 

By your logic Trent Dilfer is better than Brady because he never lost a SB
No, since he doesn't have the best coach of all time, wasn't involved in cheating scandals that lasted years, and didn't have fantastic defenses throughout the years as Brady did. 

He's played in more games and the game favors higher numbers now.  This isn't hard to figure out.  It's like saying Emmett smith shits on Jim brown because he played longer.  Use your head you moron. 

False, Dilfer wasn't the mvp multiple times and isn't considered one of the all time best.  Montana also has the catch against the 81 Cowboys.  He also won sbowls with two different coaches and took the chiefs to the afc championship.  He's also mobile Brady isn't.  Abilities count.  Brady has a huge weakness in mobility.