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Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?

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Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« on: February 20, 2017, 09:02:11 PM »
Comparing him to Joe Montana, John Elway, etc.  greats of the past specifically.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2017, 01:44:18 PM by Quan_the_Antagonist »

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Re: Do the new offensive prone rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2017, 01:08:26 AM »
Prone?

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Re: Do the new offensive prone rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2017, 01:43:45 PM »
Prone?
Advantageous is a better word. 

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2017, 01:54:20 PM »
No.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2017, 03:37:43 PM »
If Brady was all numbers and no/few titles? Maybe.

But back in the day of defenders being allowed to do whatever they wanted, the NFL still crowned a champion ever year. And nobody has won more than Tom.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2017, 03:41:04 PM »
So based off this titles argument do you believe Bill Russell is greater than Jordan ?

its pretty obvious the rules greatly protect the quarterbacks of this era far more than they did previously. 

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2017, 11:23:21 PM »
So based off this titles argument do you believe Bill Russell is greater than Jordan ?


No. Because as great as Russell was, the League was a lot smaller. And as a center he was dependant on a guard to pass him the ball. Jordan had no such limitations. And probably would have had about 8-9 rings had he not chosen to retire twice.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2017, 02:15:20 AM »
No.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2017, 10:23:24 AM »
So based off this titles argument do you believe Bill Russell is greater than Jordan ?


No. Because as great as Russell was, the League was a lot smaller. And as a center he was dependant on a guard to pass him the ball. Jordan had no such limitations. And probably would have had about 8-9 rings had he not chosen to retire twice.
So you agree more rings don't mean greater player.  Nuff said.you agree with my point.  It's absolutely ridiculous to say Bradshaw was a better QB than Marino. 

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2017, 10:24:28 AM »
No.
Well due to the rules changes the numbers really aren't comparable.  Montana is still the greatest.  Brady also has two massive cheating scandals to place a little asterisk next to his name.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2017, 10:44:05 AM »
So based off this titles argument do you believe Bill Russell is greater than Jordan ?


No. Because as great as Russell was, the League was a lot smaller. And as a center he was dependant on a guard to pass him the ball. Jordan had no such limitations. And probably would have had about 8-9 rings had he not chosen to retire twice.
So you agree more rings don't mean greater player.  Nuff said.you agree with my point.  It's absolutely ridiculous to say Bradshaw was a better QB than Marino. 
Literally no one says Bradshaw was a better QB than Marino. Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman both have 3 rings or more, and their names are never mentioned when it comes to the best QB of all time. They don't even make the top 10.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2017, 11:47:17 AM »
Jesus Christ, is this kid brain damaged? It's not like the only options are "ONLY titles matter" or "Titles don't matter at all". They factor in, but so do circumstances, era, other achievements, teammates, opponents, records, etc etc etc etc.

In Brady's case, they are a huge argument in his favor because he has won more than anyone in a very competitive era. But he's not the only player to win 5 Superbowls, and no one is saying Charles Haley is the GOAT.
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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2017, 12:24:00 PM »
So based off this titles argument do you believe Bill Russell is greater than Jordan ?


No. Because as great as Russell was, the League was a lot smaller. And as a center he was dependant on a guard to pass him the ball. Jordan had no such limitations. And probably would have had about 8-9 rings had he not chosen to retire twice.
So you agree more rings don't mean greater player.  Nuff said.you agree with my point.  It's absolutely ridiculous to say Bradshaw was a better QB than Marino. 
Literally no one says Bradshaw was a better QB than Marino. Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman both have 3 rings or more, and their names are never mentioned when it comes to the best QB of all time. They don't even make the top 10.
So the argument Brady has five doesn't hold any more water either.  Let's just forget the defenses he won championships with or the same hall of fame coach, cheating scandals, tuck rule, etc.

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2017, 01:34:23 PM »
Jesus Christ, is this kid brain damaged? It's not like the only options are "ONLY titles matter" or "Titles don't matter at all". They factor in, but so do circumstances, era, other achievements, teammates, opponents, records, etc etc etc etc.

In Brady's case, they are a huge argument in his favor because he has won more than anyone in a very competitive era. But he's not the only player to win 5 Superbowls, and no one is saying Charles Haley is the GOAT.
So you saying he's won more than any doesn't close the argument.  You brought it up. 

Brady also drastically underperformed in 07 and only put up two tds against the Giants in a losing effort.  That clearly matters. 

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Re: Do the new advantageous offensive rules diminish Tom Brady ?
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2017, 02:52:35 PM »
Brady has the wins, hardware and stats to back up his case.