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Author Topic: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?  (Read 343 times)

Jabroniville

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In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« on: February 09, 2017, 07:53:29 AM »

The Bendis comic, obviously- not the movie.

I remember reading this as it came out, and being stunned by the sheer mediocrity of it. It was like Bendis came in with no clear game plan- what started as a standard Dystopian Future Set Right What Went Wrong tale ends up shifting into a Wolverine/Sue Richards "Buddy Story", except there's no humor and the two don't have any chemistry. Every character that was important in the first half disappears by the fifth issue and never matters again, and then the two remaining heroes start going through the timeline AGAIN AND AGAIN because they keep screwing things up.

Then they finally solve everything with a Retcon Ending, and the space/time continuum breaks up, giving us Angela and Galactus in the Ultimate Universe.

And then a few years later, they just kind of throw a mulligan and merge all the universes anyways- which almost seems like what they were going for with this.

What did you think of it? I find the art good, but the story is just meandering garbage. The first couple of issues come off like the start of an epic tale, but fall apart so quickly, and are so bleak, that I get no enjoyment out of this story. The whole thing ends up feeling like a giant waste of time, and a meaningless tie-in to an upcoming movie & a reason to bring a minor Spawn character into the Marvel U.
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Re: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2017, 09:13:28 AM »

Pretty much standard Bendis then.
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Re: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2017, 06:20:45 PM »

lame....
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Re: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2017, 02:57:05 PM »

It seems like Bendis is the go to guy at Marvel for maxi-series, except he seems to be more and more formulaic in his approach to said series. Having read  his stuff it quickly becomes apparent Bendix doesn't give a da*m about the said  project but they offer him so much money he can't turn it down. But like I said b4 in an earlier thread  the House of Ideas and originality has become the House of rehashed concept ad-nasaum.  Case point Inhuman vs X-men a variant of Avengers vs X-men, lets not forget how many times the mutants were supposed to be dying a virus, Scarlet Witch, a nuclear bomb, marauders, ect. Basically whenever there's seems mutant numbers are on their way up Marvel does a house cleaning via a fake event that  usually gets  neutralize in about 3 yrs, a yr later another mutant apocalypses rears it head ad-infinitum. But unfortunately the lemmings keep buying it, believing the Marvel hype this will change things forever at MC when all it does it make MC more money and therefore  create continual  incentive to create the same crap with a different name.
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Re: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2017, 07:52:27 PM »

Bendis is a good writer with specific rules in a specific environment.

He comes up with an idea, comes up with key roles to execute the idea, then shoehorns characters into the roles. Any past history, personality, development, reasoning, logic, or adequate pacing is thrown out the window.

He doesn't stick to his strengths. He thinks he's 'challenging the status quo' with 'big ideas' but he's really just being lazy and fucking up characters with decades of development.
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Re: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2017, 09:41:53 PM »

What Xer said. He should stick street level more personal stories. Leave the big idea stories to Morrison and Hickman.
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Re: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2017, 11:41:45 AM »

Hickman buggers up long-term characters, too. Look at Fratboy Cannonball, "The Avengers are now the Legion of Super-Heroes" army-gathering, heroic characters dooming worlds while keeping things secret from everybody else, and other weird things that went nowhere (a DYSON SPHERE? Around OUR Solar System?). Hell, if he hadn't rebooted the entire universe right at the end of that story, then he'd have permanently ruined about five or six major characters by the end of his Avengers run.
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Re: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2017, 08:26:30 PM »

Hickman buggers up long-term characters, too. Look at Fratboy Cannonball, "The Avengers are now the Legion of Super-Heroes" army-gathering, heroic characters dooming worlds while keeping things secret from everybody else, and other weird things that went nowhere (a DYSON SPHERE? Around OUR Solar System?). Hell, if he hadn't rebooted the entire universe right at the end of that story, then he'd have permanently ruined about five or six major characters by the end of his Avengers run.
Those are specific plot points noted in story. Cannonball like Johnny Storm frequently gets reset to " immature kid" going back to his joining the X-Men. So that's in character.
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Re: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2017, 03:47:26 AM »

Hickman buggers up long-term characters, too. Look at Fratboy Cannonball, "The Avengers are now the Legion of Super-Heroes" army-gathering, heroic characters dooming worlds while keeping things secret from everybody else, and other weird things that went nowhere (a DYSON SPHERE? Around OUR Solar System?). Hell, if he hadn't rebooted the entire universe right at the end of that story, then he'd have permanently ruined about five or six major characters by the end of his Avengers run.
Those are specific plot points noted in story. Cannonball like Johnny Storm frequently gets reset to " immature kid" going back to his joining the X-Men. So that's in character.

Don't know if it's in character but it's kind of a consistent thing that happens.

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Re: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2017, 11:18:20 AM »

No, Cannonball got turned into an "aw, shucks" rookie in the Joe Mad era- in Hickman's Avengers, he was a smarmy, smirking pain in the ass.
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Re: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2017, 06:08:47 PM »

It was another garbage event with a garbage story, written by a garbage writer. Need anything else be said?
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Re: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2017, 07:59:32 PM »

No, Cannonball got turned into an "aw, shucks" rookie in the Joe Mad era- in Hickman's Avengers, he was a smarmy, smirking pain in the ass.

It also happened when he left X-Force and went to the X-men as well.

Went from reasonable competent professional to amateur doofus again.
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Re: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2017, 06:46:16 AM »

No, Cannonball got turned into an "aw, shucks" rookie in the Joe Mad era- in Hickman's Avengers, he was a smarmy, smirking pain in the ass.

It also happened when he left X-Force and went to the X-men as well.

Went from reasonable competent professional to amateur doofus again.
Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about. Cannonball was the "Team Nice Guy" in New Mutants and a "Responsible Leader In Over His Head" in X-Force- he was never a fratboy until Hickman got a hold of him.
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Re: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2017, 04:07:32 PM »

Bendis is a good writer with specific rules in a specific environment.

He comes up with an idea, comes up with key roles to execute the idea, then shoehorns characters into the roles. Any past history, personality, development, reasoning, logic, or adequate pacing is thrown out the window.

He doesn't stick to his strengths. He thinks he's 'challenging the status quo' with 'big ideas' but he's really just being lazy and fucking up characters with decades of development.

This sums it up nicely.
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Re: In retrospect, what are your thoughts of "Age of Ultron"?
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2017, 04:10:57 PM »

I don't see Hickman being anywhere near the level of Bendis with regard to mucking up characters.
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