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Re: Anyone interested in "America"?
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2017, 11:04:21 AM »
Which of her powers is not shown in issue #1?  We see her hovering in the air.  We see her ripping through constructs.  An entire sequence is dedicated to Monica's observation of her speed and this is the first time her speed is ever shown in any book IIRC.  By issue #2, we see the teleportation stars and by issue #3, we see heavy usage of the teleportation stars.  Her power is pretty basic.  A top tier flying brick who can teleport herself, others and objects across dimensions.  Of course, to each his own, but I personally don't see how a writer can give thorough power-set descriptions each issue without making the storyline awkward and taking up space for the story.  It seems unnecessary but that's just my opinion.   

And I can most definitely present Shooter written comics that don't explain the powers and origins of each major character. 
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Re: Anyone interested in "America"?
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2017, 11:40:59 AM »
Nor should a comic, IMO, if it's an ongoing, have to educated the readers on the powersets of the characters over and over again. Ms. America essentially has the standard flying brick powerset + interdimensional travel. If it doesn't enhance the story to elaborate on that, it just becomes clunky and unnecessary. Not to mention that in the modern era, if someone gets that hung up on it, they can usually access the internet to find out more on the powers without having to read through all the books the character was featured in.

Thanos can do any number of things, but no one expects the writer to really make sure the reader knows all of that every time we see him.

I think giving those little caption bios as they do in Ultimates is more than enough and if you still want more, go online.

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Re: Anyone interested in "America"?
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2017, 12:19:39 PM »
Agreed.  Plus, those caption bios are give EVERY issue, which is far more than most every other title.

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Re: Anyone interested in "America"?
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2017, 03:08:10 PM »
I'm not saying big, clunky explanations of everything. But even the super-strength is hardly mentioned or used. Now, that said, this is more of a THINKING book than a FIGHTING one. But like I said, even her origins and history aren't explained as much as they should be, either. For example, I didn't know she'd been in Young Avengers at all until I checked Wikipedia. Has anyone EVER mentioned how she was discovered, what she was up to, and why she joined the "Ultimates" team? Maybe it was in the first issue or two, I dunno.


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Re: Anyone interested in "America"?
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2017, 02:09:38 AM »
T'Challa recruites her to be part of the team as shown in Avengers #0, which serves as the starting point for several titles.  Below is the Ultimates part of the book:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nkqA7vrlC1A/VhUWCK7xfsI/AAAAAAAQ8a8/6uY1r7leeJ4/s1600/17_00.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LqYzXzVgOZ4/VhUWnr3fIhI/AAAAAAAQ8fs/H6lcTgpm5LA/s1600/17_38.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7znCbDX9L2E/VhUWouNKURI/AAAAAAAQ8f4/HyjDIAiwFdQ/s1600/17_39.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ykayXVFWaDQ/VhUWrC1I7lI/AAAAAAAQ8gA/ktci1eSxqvo/s1600/17_40.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7ADovLyF08M/VhUWrkGCHBI/AAAAAAAQ8gI/FhxDKpQne6g/s1600/17_41.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-q7VTORN4_9U/VhUWsL-9D5I/AAAAAAAQ8gM/c1GIcypcL14/s1600/17_42.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FcvCuI6Vrvs/VhUWtet8aQI/AAAAAAAQ8gU/d7CgAVhqrFQ/s1600/17_43.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tDHGDicGIQY/VhUWvVaYc8I/AAAAAAAQ8gg/UBoImNUv5ww/s1600/17_44.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zqacX4rPcyk/VhUWv67tgqI/AAAAAAAQ8gk/XFU8FdCed2k/s1600/17_45.jpg

As far as her origin, that would require reading Young Avengers, especially issue #14, and even then, there is a lot still unknown.
That's a little better. Though it still doesn't really explain the totality of her powers (nor super-speed). She just punches a big monster, implying she's strong, and she talks about her teleportation powers. It's possibly I either missed out on that issue, or just don't remember it because I'm old and I forget things (if I got fewer books a month, I would probably do better). In any case, it's been a LONG time since that one came out (and Ms. Chavez has had like zero "real world relationship stuff" since then, either).

I guess in the era of Wikipedia it's less necessary to have Exposition-Speak- and a lack of knowledge of her powers hasn't hampered the comic, since it's mostly about the stuff they're fixing, not punching (or else I'd just... check Wikipedia). It's just something I notice that comics have gotten bad for. Ewing's not even close to the worst for it, though he can be pretty bad for just throwing people out there fighting without explanation of what's going on IN the fights- it's just background stuff to the plotting and personalities of the characters. Which is more important, truthfully. It's just something I notice about comics seeming to assume that you know more than the comic ever explains.

And yeah... Shooter preached a lot, but didn't practice as much. His ideas were solid, though.

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Re: Anyone interested in "America"?
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2017, 01:42:17 AM »
Hah- ironically enough, Ultimates2 features a scene where the "Troubleshooters" attack the Ultimates, and guess what? Every single person describes what their powers are (usually in the terms of "talking smack" or "bragging" so it doesn't come off as Robotic Exposition), explains what's going on, and more. One of the better "an explanation of what's going on" scenes I've read in recent memory, even with the weird esoteric powers of the current antagonists.

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Re: Anyone interested in "America"?
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2017, 09:23:37 AM »
Hah- ironically enough, Ultimates2 features a scene where the "Troubleshooters" attack the Ultimates, and guess what? Every single person describes what their powers are (usually in the terms of "talking smack" or "bragging" so it doesn't come off as Robotic Exposition), explains what's going on, and more. One of the better "an explanation of what's going on" scenes I've read in recent memory, even with the weird esoteric powers of the current antagonists.

Yea, I saw that.  Compared to other modern writers, I think that Ewing is pretty good about such details, especially with regard to newly introduced characters.  I think they all assume that readers are familiar with established characters or that there is enough Wikis to find out.  ;D


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Re: Anyone interested in "America"?
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2017, 12:48:12 PM »
It was all just set up setting the stage for her college years in an alternate dimension. It wasn't bad but nothing really happened. Seems like we're about to find out what she's really capable of.

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Re: Anyone interested in "America"?
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2017, 03:04:32 PM »
What I think we're close to finding out is that this book is rather horrible.